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Yamakuzure
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This thread'll never die, I bet...
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NeddySeagoon
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Yamakuzure,
Probably not but it will get locked at 30 pages as longer threads make a mess of the forums.
I'm sure someone will start a new one though
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oscurochu
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So he was trying to install an antivirus program on linux? How silly. |
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MuckThatGuy
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Did anyone else notice that his nom de internet (profile included) bares a striking resemblance to a Neal Stephenson character?
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HMC
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So he was trying to install an antivirus program on linux? How silly. |
Hmmm... Silly? There are many reasons for putting AV on a *nix box. |
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LukynZ
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Joined: 19 Dec 2008
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Location: The Czech Republic
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| Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 8:28 pm Post subject: Leaving Gentoo... |
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| First I want to say...Gentoo is great. I think it is the best distro for linux. However source-base distro have disadvantage with updates and recompilations. And today it was enought for me. One update of small library and recompilation of 118 packages needed and several fails. No, this is not for me ever more. This is not distro faul, this is about time and compilation stuffs. And I realize, it was enought for me last year and I am moving back to Archlinux. (I think the second best distro). I learnt a lot with Gentoo and I will miss its features. And I want to say thanks to all devs and ppl around this distro. U r doing a good job. |
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gerard27
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Fare thee well.
You'll be back sooner or later.
Gerard.
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tgR10
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OmSai
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LukynZ,
That's why you use the update script to continue compilation and retry failed packages.
I've you haven't already wiped your gentoo box, I'd recommend getting the git version and having a go.
I have the clone under /root/
http://weaver.gentooenterprise.com/trac/update/
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-546828.html
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poly_poly-man
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someday even poor folks will have computers that can compile openoffice in 50ms, and then, source distros will make a lot more sense.
However, until then, compiling is hard.
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d2_racing
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See you soon  |
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Quick23t
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| We've all had our bouts with Gentoo, I can remember times when each weekly sync and update brought about an hours worth of work fixing my OS. It's starting to get to that point again for me, but I'm going to stick with it one last time and see what happens. Having Gentoo's features as far as getting the system I want is a great benefit, allowing me to be a bit more productive. Right up to the point where I spend all of the time I would have saved by using Gentoo working on my Gentoo install.. |
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Ormaaj
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| poly_poly-man wrote: | someday even poor folks will have computers that can compile openoffice in 50ms, and then, source distros will make a lot more sense.
However, until then, compiling is hard. |
Then programs which write themselves will make a lot more sense.
My i7 is so ridiculous that I don't even care about recompiling all of kde. Took like 7 hours on my old P4. We're getting there. |
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platojones
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| Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Quick23t wrote: | | We've all had our bouts with Gentoo, I can remember times when each weekly sync and update brought about an hours worth of work fixing my OS. It's starting to get to that point again for me, but I'm going to stick with it one last time and see what happens. Having Gentoo's features as far as getting the system I want is a great benefit, allowing me to be a bit more productive. Right up to the point where I spend all of the time I would have saved by using Gentoo working on my Gentoo install.. |
Then you are doing it wrong. Maintaining an up-to-date Gentoo system is much easier than any other distro. |
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poly_poly-man
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| platojones wrote: | | Quick23t wrote: | | We've all had our bouts with Gentoo, I can remember times when each weekly sync and update brought about an hours worth of work fixing my OS. It's starting to get to that point again for me, but I'm going to stick with it one last time and see what happens. Having Gentoo's features as far as getting the system I want is a great benefit, allowing me to be a bit more productive. Right up to the point where I spend all of the time I would have saved by using Gentoo working on my Gentoo install.. |
Then you are doing it wrong. Maintaining an up-to-date Gentoo system is much easier than any other distro. |
it is - the problem is not figuring out the fix, but doing it with the bad compile time.
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platojones
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| poly_poly-man wrote: | | it is - the problem is not figuring out the fix, but doing it with the bad compile time. |
I've never understood the compile-time issue myself...it never affects what I am doing at the moment I'm running emerge. I've got a quad-core so that helps...just emerge and 99% it goes perfect...and keep doing what you were doing. People act like Linux is DOS or something...like doing an emerge update shuts down their system for the duration or something. I don't get it. |
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poly_poly-man
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| Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| platojones wrote: | | poly_poly-man wrote: | | it is - the problem is not figuring out the fix, but doing it with the bad compile time. |
I've never understood the compile-time issue myself...it never affects what I am doing at the moment I'm running emerge. I've got a quad-core so that helps...just emerge and 99% it goes perfect...and keep doing what you were doing. People act like Linux is DOS or something...like doing an emerge update shuts down their system for the duration or something. I don't get it. |
I'm particularly an advocate of this train of thought.
However, my point still stands - let's say you have circular dep issues or something like that... you have to emerge specific things in a specific order - no problem, except you have to stick around for each compile...
I love letting my major world updates and such run while I'm asleep... but some things you need to fix manually, and thatr's when you see the long compile times come out.
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Quick23t
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Then you are doing it wrong. Maintaining an up-to-date Gentoo system is much easier than any other distro. |
We will have to agree to disagree on this point. I've spent 6 years with Gentoo, it is my preferred distro but, I don't feel that it is easier to maintain than any other distro. This may be relative to the machine's role the OS is installed on though. |
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d2_racing
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| It's easy if you update your box once a week, but if you wait 6 months, then it can be pretty hard actually or long. |
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platojones
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| d2_racing wrote: | | It's easy if you update your box once a week, but if you wait 6 months, then it can be pretty hard actually or long. |
Yeah, that does make sense...I update daily and rarely run into even minor issues. |
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dE_logics
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Great...I'm switching 'to' Gentoo.
After 6 months of Linux. |
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poly_poly-man
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| d2_racing wrote: | | It's easy if you update your box once a week, but if you wait 6 months, then it can be pretty hard actually or long. |
even doing it daily, you'll hit issues (mostly on unstable boxes like mine, but...)
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beandog
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| Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: Leaving Gentoo... |
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| LukynZ wrote: | | One update of small library and recompilation of 118 packages needed and several fails. |
This may be a stupid question, I dunno, but ....... have you ever considered *not* upgrading the library?
Maybe it's just me, but I tend to leave things alone now unless I really, really, really need to touch them.
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sera
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| Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: Leaving Gentoo... |
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| beandog wrote: | | LukynZ wrote: | | One update of small library and recompilation of 118 packages needed and several fails. |
This may be a stupid question, I dunno, but ....... have you ever considered *not* upgrading the library?
Maybe it's just me, but I tend to leave things alone now unless I really, really, really need to touch them. |
How does that match your sig?  |
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poly_poly-man
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| Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: Leaving Gentoo... |
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| beandog wrote: | | LukynZ wrote: | | One update of small library and recompilation of 118 packages needed and several fails. |
This may be a stupid question, I dunno, but ....... have you ever considered *not* upgrading the library?
Maybe it's just me, but I tend to leave things alone now unless I really, really, really need to touch them. |
hehe... that's funny when it's right next to your sig 
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