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R.Smith Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 20 Nov 2005 Posts: 131 Location: Caerdydd, Cymru.
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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I sync and also update world once a day. I like to keep my system up-to-date. |
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tane_stelzer Apprentice
Joined: 30 Dec 2005 Posts: 263 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland and Kempen, Germany
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John R. Graham Administrator
Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 10589 Location: Somewhere over Atlanta, Georgia
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:57 am Post subject: |
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My Gentoo Home Router syncs once per day at 1:30am courtesy of cron. It has an Rsync server running and my other three Gentoo machines sync off of that at 2:30am.
I too love updates.
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neocon101 n00b
Joined: 28 Jun 2006 Posts: 2
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:11 am Post subject: |
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I have a cron job that emerge --sync's every day at 3:50 am. |
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omp Retired Dev
Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 1018 Location: Glendale, California
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:21 am Post subject: |
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<3 wrote: | No one should have to sync more than once a week and even then that is too many syncs for the average user. |
With syncing everyday, I have about 5-10 updates a day. If I sync once a week, I will be swarmed with updates. Not to mention that it is easier tracking down a bug when you install a smaller number of software before the problems start.
I usually sync once a day. I sometimes don't sync for a few days because I can be a lazy procrastinator at times. _________________ meow. |
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BRPXQZME Apprentice
Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 163 Location: Centreville, VA
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:03 am Post subject: |
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"When I need to."
That can be maybe twice a day (once to watch it go slowly, ctrl-c, get a faster server in the rotation; okay, so maybe that's a little evil there...). If a package is giving me the pains, perhaps it's time to sync up. If the source file was long taken off the mirrors, definitely time to sync. If I need a really new version of something I'm using, time to sync (but check online first to make sure it's in portage). If this is my first time using the computer in a few months, emerge --sync, emerge -uNDpv world|less, deal with various blockers, emerge -uND world, etc-update, emerge --depclean -p, emerge --depclean, revdep-rebuild. I don't sync otherwise, and it averages to maybe once a month depending on how actively I'm using that computer. _________________ Firefox is spelled F-i-r-e-f-o-x - only the first letter capitalized (i.e. not FireFox, not Foxfire, FoxFire or whatever else a number of folk seem to think it to be called.) The preferred abbreviation is "Fx" or "fx".
FF = Final Fantasy. |
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petrjanda Veteran
Joined: 05 Sep 2003 Posts: 1557 Location: Brno, Czech Republic
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:07 am Post subject: |
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omp wrote: | <3 wrote: | No one should have to sync more than once a week and even then that is too many syncs for the average user. |
With syncing everyday, I have about 5-10 updates a day. If I sync once a week, I will be swarmed with updates. Not to mention that it is easier tracking down a bug when you install a smaller number of software before the problems start.
I usually sync once a day. I sometimes don't sync for a few days because I can be a lazy procrastinator at times. |
Whats wrong with doing updates once a month? Surely you don't need *sarcasm on* latest and greatest packages *sarcasm off* every day. Installing updates is a such a waste of time. if it works, why fix it? _________________ There is, a not-born, a not-become, a not-made, a not-compounded. If that unborn, not-become, not-made, not-compounded were not, there would be no escape from this here that is born, become, made and compounded. - Gautama Siddharta |
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Marty Neal n00b
Joined: 19 Jun 2006 Posts: 3 Location: WA
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:13 am Post subject: sync on new emerges and max once a day |
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I find that then I am going to be installing new software, or hardware especially, I'll sync up before I do any of it (this tends to be about once every two weeks) and my system seems to be happy most the time. I'm not a huge update freak, but would instead consider myself the average gentoo user, if there is such a thing _________________ "don't bite the hand that feeds you, there is more meat further up" -- aurthor bear |
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Q-collective Advocate
Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 2071
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:44 am Post subject: |
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petrjanda wrote: | Whats wrong with doing updates once a month? Surely you don't need *sarcasm on* latest and greatest packages *sarcasm off* every day. Installing updates is a such a waste of time. if it works, why fix it? |
For exactly the reason omp said: syncing once a day only gives about 10 updates, syncing once a month is a nightmare which Gentoo can not handle very well in my experience. |
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Phenax l33t
Joined: 10 Mar 2006 Posts: 972
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:54 am Post subject: |
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"Why fix what isn't broken."
With that idealogy we'd be back in the stone age.
I'm typically a bored person, and one of the activities I do is sync when I'm bored. Of course I do limit it to once a day.
~amd64 gets me usually ten updates a night.. It's quite fun.
One of my hobbies is fixing problems, and ~amd64 and syncing once a day gives me a chance to stretch my ability. |
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Aries-Belgium l33t
Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Posts: 730 Location: Willebroek, Belgium
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:17 am Post subject: |
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I useally sync and update every weekend. But when I read there was an update of one of my favorite applications, I sync and update instantly. _________________ Ep2.nl | Developers Community |
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krolden Apprentice
Joined: 28 May 2004 Posts: 293 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:44 am Post subject: |
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I sync every day at 06.00 (cron job) |
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clintpatty Apprentice
Joined: 21 Jul 2005 Posts: 173 Location: Alabama
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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petrjanda wrote: | Installing updates is a such a waste of time. if it works, why fix it? |
Yep. If there's an improvement or new feature that is needed or useful, that's different. Both versions work, but one works more. I don't care about updating for the sake of updating, though. In itself it is something to screw around with, and when new versions have bugs or weird interactions with other programs, it's something else to screw around with. I'd rather just have my computer work. I like Linux because it works more often, and when it doesn't there's usually a specific reason and sometimes I can figure it out. This was not the case with Windows. |
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kraut Apprentice
Joined: 03 Jun 2005 Posts: 179
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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i sync dayly (cronjob).
i usually just update the kernel, KDE, and things glsa-check complains about (security risks!!).
if you do not sync dayly, you will not notice if some applications might be vulnerable. think about this, you monthly syncers |
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petrjanda Veteran
Joined: 05 Sep 2003 Posts: 1557 Location: Brno, Czech Republic
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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Q-collective wrote: | petrjanda wrote: | Whats wrong with doing updates once a month? Surely you don't need *sarcasm on* latest and greatest packages *sarcasm off* every day. Installing updates is a such a waste of time. if it works, why fix it? |
For exactly the reason omp said: syncing once a day only gives about 10 updates, syncing once a month is a nightmare which Gentoo can not handle very well in my experience. |
Now let me think, whats wrong with updating only packages that need updating? It's not like you need to install all updates anyway. I don't see the point of having to install package foo when the same package is already installed on my computer and does what i need perfectly. Imo, updates are necessary only when you are looking for a new specific functionality the old version doesn't provide, if there are dependencies then portage will handle them. _________________ There is, a not-born, a not-become, a not-made, a not-compounded. If that unborn, not-become, not-made, not-compounded were not, there would be no escape from this here that is born, become, made and compounded. - Gautama Siddharta |
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petrjanda Veteran
Joined: 05 Sep 2003 Posts: 1557 Location: Brno, Czech Republic
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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Introvert wrote: | "Why fix what isn't broken."
With that idealogy we'd be back in the stone age.
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Dead wrong, we are talking from a users perspective. Surely developers will improve their programs, but that doesn't mean that user's need to get the package right away when they dont actually need it. Why dont you find your self another hobby instead of watching emerge doing another make? _________________ There is, a not-born, a not-become, a not-made, a not-compounded. If that unborn, not-become, not-made, not-compounded were not, there would be no escape from this here that is born, become, made and compounded. - Gautama Siddharta |
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kraut Apprentice
Joined: 03 Jun 2005 Posts: 179
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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petrjanda wrote: |
Now let me think, whats wrong with updating only packages that need updating? |
nothing wrong with that, but i fear you are mistakeing the oposters question.
he didnt ask how often you update packages, or system, or world.. he asked how often you sync! this is just an "emerge --sync", right? |
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Q-collective Advocate
Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 2071
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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petrjanda wrote: | Now let me think, whats wrong with updating only packages that need updating? It's not like you need to install all updates anyway. I don't see the point of having to install package foo when the same package is already installed on my computer and does what i need perfectly. Imo, updates are necessary only when you are looking for a new specific functionality the old version doesn't provide, if there are dependencies then portage will handle them. |
Well, I don't know, ever heard about security? |
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Napalm Llama Guru
Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 533 Location: Cardiff, UK
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Once every two days. I've thought about setting up a cron job to do it automatically, but I love doing it myself too much...
It's like Christmas - "Ooh, what new packages am I going to get today?". And it's usually boring stuff, but occasionally there's something cool like a new nvidia release, or a new kernel - or even an update to KDE (3.5.2 coming off ~arch caught me completely off guard - made my day!)
I do an "emerge -DuavtN world" directly afterwards, but if I see a toolchain update I wait until just before I go to bed before setting off a full system rebuild (emerge -e system && emerge -e system && emerge -e world && emerge -e world). _________________ Ryzen 5600x; Asus TUF Gaming B550-Plus; Geforce 1660 Super
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teidon Apprentice
Joined: 22 Apr 2005 Posts: 195 Location: Finland
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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I sync quite randomly. Once a weak, maybe once every 2 weeks, could go even month if I'm being lazy. Depends when ever I happen to remember/bother to sync. There's rarely any important new packages anyway, and those that I consider as important I look from Package Database and if there's a new version I want, I do sync && emerge -uDNav world then. I never sync more than once a day though, except if I happen to notice some important package being added to portage after I already synced that day, which has happened... never. _________________ When Microsoft makes a product that doesn't suck, they make a vacuum cleaner. |
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jerkface n00b
Joined: 19 Apr 2004 Posts: 65 Location: Tacoma, Wa
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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I sync every hour on the hour. You can never be too careful. _________________ Most Linux users don't know this, but the man pages are named after Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris fscking hates noobs! |
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kraut Apprentice
Joined: 03 Jun 2005 Posts: 179
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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jerkface wrote: | I sync every hour on the hour. You can never be too careful. |
that is a waist of bandwith to the portage rsync mirrors, and you will probably not be around 24h/day at your machine anyway either |
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stupidkid Apprentice
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Posts: 247 Location: 127.0.0.1
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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jerkface wrote: | I sync every hour on the hour. You can never be too careful. |
Don't you get banned if you sync too often? |
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petrjanda Veteran
Joined: 05 Sep 2003 Posts: 1557 Location: Brno, Czech Republic
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:30 am Post subject: |
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Q-collective wrote: | petrjanda wrote: | Now let me think, whats wrong with updating only packages that need updating? It's not like you need to install all updates anyway. I don't see the point of having to install package foo when the same package is already installed on my computer and does what i need perfectly. Imo, updates are necessary only when you are looking for a new specific functionality the old version doesn't provide, if there are dependencies then portage will handle them. |
Well, I don't know, ever heard about security? |
Ive never heard of people getting their pc compromised by having foo package not up to date, but Ive heard of people getting hacked because they were ignoring their distro's security advisories. Besides people dont get hacked by not having tar, cdrtools, xorg, gui and 95% of other installed packages up to date. _________________ There is, a not-born, a not-become, a not-made, a not-compounded. If that unborn, not-become, not-made, not-compounded were not, there would be no escape from this here that is born, become, made and compounded. - Gautama Siddharta |
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Q-collective Advocate
Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 2071
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:27 am Post subject: |
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petrjanda wrote: | Besides people dont get hacked by not having tar, cdrtools, xorg, gui and 95% of other installed packages up to date. |
Says who? |
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