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rmcknt
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I sync twice a day, but emerge i only do once a day 
To not keep the rsync server too busy, i have a very small portage tree, only containig ebuild of packages that are installed on my machine.
Have a look
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dev-urandom
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I sync once a week, there's a cron job to do that and I prefer to update weekly after going through the whole list to see what i need to update.
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aidanjt
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| Spin-Doc wrote: | I sync twice a day, but emerge i only do once a day
To not keep the rsync server too busy, i have a very small portage tree, only containig ebuild of packages that are installed on my machine.
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| Code: | $ du -sh /usr/portage/
38M /usr/portage/
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uhhh.. deleting ebuilds puts much more demand on the portage mirrors... rsync is designed to keep local directories in sync with a remote directory, that's the whole point of it.. and doing it twice a day is extra wasteful and pointless |
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dev-urandom
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| AidanJT wrote: |
uhhh.. deleting ebuilds puts much more demand on the portage mirrors... rsync is designed to keep local directories in sync with a remote directory, that's the whole point of it.. and doing it twice a day is extra wasteful and pointless |
I second AidanJT. There's no point in syncing up twice unless there's an occasional update that you are desperate to install. Doing it every day is not only a waste of bandwidth and time, but also chokes up the main servers without any purpose. If you want to track the latest builds the rss feed from http://gentoo-portage.com is a *much* effective method to see whether there's anything interesting.
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tycho1983
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I sync once a week.
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It depends Travelling a lot, I sync my notebook daily. The desktop systems at home get their sync about every weekend.
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| AidanJT wrote: | | Spin-Doc wrote: | I sync twice a day, but emerge i only do once a day
To not keep the rsync server too busy, i have a very small portage tree, only containig ebuild of packages that are installed on my machine.
Have a look
| Code: | $ du -sh /usr/portage/
38M /usr/portage/
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uhhh.. deleting ebuilds puts much more demand on the portage mirrors... rsync is designed to keep local directories in sync with a remote directory, that's the whole point of it.. and doing it twice a day is extra wasteful and pointless |
No i don't _delete_ ebuild, i use the rsync feature RSYNC_EXCLUDE.
My /etc/portage/rsync_excludes just includes all packages + metadata/cache/ for eache ebuild installed on my system.
It also includes basic stuff like eclasses, profiles...
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At work:
cd /etc/cron.daily
cat sync.cron
emerge --sync && emerge -uDp world
I have a really, really slow crappy machine, if I leave it more than a day or two the emerges take to long.
At home I sync 2-3 times a week sometimes I leave it up to a month unless I see a security fix. |
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DeLorean
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I sync whenever I want to update, and that is normally every weekend or when a special package I´m waiting for is available.
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aidanjt
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| Spin-Doc wrote: | No i don't _delete_ ebuild, i use the rsync feature RSYNC_EXCLUDE.
My /etc/portage/rsync_excludes just includes all packages + metadata/cache/ for eache ebuild installed on my system.
It also includes basic stuff like eclasses, profiles... |
Ah, my apologies for the blatent assumption, still.. 2 syncs a day isn't really needed unless you're anticipating a release you're looking foward to. |
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| bmaynard wrote: | cat sync.cron
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That'll sync. Then pretend to do an update and print the output to /dev/null. So it's just chewing a lot of cycles for no reason 
I have a weekly job that looks like the above but -uDf since I am on a slow satellite connection and I like to let the files download at night. http replicator helps a lot too. I've always been a good Gentoo netzien, which is why it's not a big deal being on a bandwidth-limited connection. I have some pretty heavy hardware here for just being one self-funded guy, and I spend one full day a week working on the systems, including doing the emerge stuff (I a network of run 500 end-users, about 30 switches, 10 servers. Alone. Yeah!) so an every day update on the 15 or so Gentoo systems here would not leave me much time to do anything else.
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One a week. Enough to keep my servers up to date
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Twice a month only,
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I sync every 5 to 7 days on average (irregularly), but I won't actually update my system until something particularly interesting or security-prone comes along, so I wind up doing updates perhaps once every 2 weeks.
Whenever I update, I also run etc-update since that has bitten me in the past.
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| quag7 wrote: | | Whenever I update, I also run etc-update since that has bitten me in the past. |
Ever tried dispatch-conf? I like that better.  |
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FWIW, I sync three machines on successive Saturday, Sunday and Monday.
Is weekend the "best" time to sync up? I thought I'd see what days the portage tree is more active, so I cooked up a quick command to pull the day-of-week out of the portage ChangeLog files:
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grep -R "# \$Header" * | grep ChangeLog,v | cut -d" " -f5 | date -f- | cut -d" " -f1 |
That yields a file (about 11,000 lines long) of days-of-the-week. I used that to derive the following percentages:
Sunday: 17.2%
Monday: 13.1%
Tuesday: 12.4%
Wednesday: 8.8%
Thursday: 17.6%
Friday: 14.0%
Saturday: 16.5%
So it looks like Wednesday is the slow day for developers. Does this mean you should sync on Wednesday? I don't know, but it's an interesting data point. |
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| stupidkid wrote: | | Ever tried dispatch-conf? I like that better. |
meh, etc-update and dispatch-conf both suck at managing config updates. |
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| AidanJT wrote: | | stupidkid wrote: | | Ever tried dispatch-conf? I like that better. |
meh, etc-update and dispatch-conf both suck at managing config updates. |
Usually for me, maybe 4 out of 5 replacements are files I've never touched, and then I just deal with the one manually. It's never been a big problem. I guess it's a pain when it's a very large file with lots of changes. I'm never happy about postfix's file being updated, for instance, but that's rare.
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| quag7 wrote: | | Usually for me, maybe 4 out of 5 replacements are files I've never touched, and then I just deal with the one manually. It's never been a big problem. I guess it's a pain when it's a very large file with lots of changes. I'm never happy about postfix's file being updated, for instance, but that's rare. |
Yea, that's the main problem with config updates as it stands, when you're managing servers, heaps of config changes are a nightmare. |
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| cokehabit wrote: | | How often do you sync? When ubuntu says that there are updates |
kubuntu says there are updates after you have done an apt-get update via cron. It's retarded and unnecessary because then you have to update again before seeing the packages to install. At least that's the way it is on kubuntu. I turned that off so I can do it manually. It's such a waste of bandwidth/power on their servers!
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No i don't _delete_ ebuild, i use the rsync feature RSYNC_EXCLUDE.
My /etc/portage/rsync_excludes just includes all packages + metadata/cache/ for eache ebuild installed on my system.
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Hmm... couldnt this be built in portage so that you can do:
# emerge --sync --world
? that would be neat
edit: found this https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-356536.html
nice way to exclude stuff, but it would be nice to trigger "exclude-profiles" from the commandline (eg : everything, only world, according to my rsync exclude settings,...)
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| AidanJT wrote: | | stupidkid wrote: | | Ever tried dispatch-conf? I like that better. |
meh, etc-update and dispatch-conf both suck at managing config updates. |
People always say such things... but I've really never had a problem with just plain old etc-update. I've never even tried dispatch-conf.
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| electrofreak wrote: |
but I've really never had a problem with just plain old etc-update. I've never even tried dispatch-conf. |
Same here, I have backups of all important files in /etc
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