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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 7:10 pm    Post subject: perl aloittelijalle Reply with quote

katsoin emerge -s perl kautta miten monta pakettia tulisi asennettua... huh

pomo pyysi asentamaan aloittelijalle tarvittavan alustan, ideana hanella siis opetella perl

mitka paketit olisivat tarpeen tassa tapauksessa? joku kiva IDE alusta olisi mukava jos sellaista on olemassa
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ei kai noita kaikkia oo tarvis asentaa, asennat vaan perlin, emerge perl. Sit tarpeen mukaan jotain kamaa jos tarvitaan.

http://www.cpan.org/

Tuolta löytyy paljon moduuleita joka tarpeeseen. Itse en perlistä juurikaan tiedä, joten en osaa suositella. IDE:nä kai kävis emacs, kdevelop tai eclipse?

EDIT: perl lienee jo valmiina asennettuna joka gentoossa.
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2006 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perl on asennettuna joka gentoossa.

kDevelop on älyttömän helppo IDE. Eclipse on vähän ehkä... ~ ... sellainen jännä jos ei ole paljon ohjelmoinut. Perlin aloitteluun kannattaisi varmaan selata ensin netti läpi ja asentaa vaikka ActiveStaten komponentit kuten Visual Perl IDE vaikka Visual Studio Expressiin jos sellainen löytyy.

Perlille keskeisiä kehitysympäristöjä ovat PerlBuilder, Perl Express, Open/Free Perl IDE ja PerlEdit mutta PerlBuilderia suosittelen vaikka se on kaupallinen. http://www.solutionsoft.com/pb2_linux.htm

Jos tekee hommia vain vapaansorsan kanssa niin alusta jolla itse ohjelmoin kaiken on VIM ja Perl käännös ympäristö. Minusta on vähän ehkä turhaa hakea isoa IDEä Perliin jos vasta opettelee kieltä. Kaikki pitäisi pitää mahdollisimman yksinkertaisena kun opettelee jotakin tietokonekieltä. Emacsin opettelu voi olla aika kova homma vaikka ei siinä mitään niin hirveän erikoista ole. Gnu Nano voi olla vähän liian yksinkertainen editori mutta sen kaikki featuret ymmärtää helposti ja se on nopea käyttää ohejmointiin. VIM taas on isompi mutta toimii nopeammin ja on ehkä helpompi käyttää kun sen käytön oppii. VIM mukana tulee tutoriaali joka on helppo käydä läpi, se sisältää kaiken oleellisen.

Yksi huomattava piirre muuten, KDevelopilla voi myös opiskella helposti Pythonia joka on minusta jokseenkin Perliä käytetympi ja yleisempi kieli. Mutta KDevelop voi olla iso mörkö joillekkin johtuen tuettujen ominaisuuksien määrästä. Dokumentaation asennusta suosittelen lämpimästi.

Vim GTK komponenteilla ja Perl joillakin lisä-osilla kuten QT ovat aika paljon. http://www.perl.com/ on hyvä info lähde vaikkakin Wikipediastakin löytyy paljon tietoa.
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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joo, tuo vinkki kDevelopista ja pythonista sopivasti koska kysyi tanaan myos kaarmealustasta

emerge kdevelop asensi, entas nuo viittaukset dokumentaatioon? emerge -s kdevelop naytti vain yhden paketin, onko jotain muuta haettava?

kiitos!

edit: herjaa seuraavaa
!!! ERROR: dev-util/kdevelop-3.2.1-r1 failed.
!!! Function kde_src_compile, Line 248, Exitcode 2
!!! died running emake, kde_src_compile:make
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

olisko tuo ERROR syysta etta paivitin tsydeemin KDE 3.5 versioon ? senko vuoksi emerge kdevelop ei sytyta?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sori, etten oo vastaillut näin pitkään aikaan. En aina muista kattoo kaikki näitä threadei. :]

Helpottaisi kummasti jos kertoisit mikä ongelma tapahtuu rivillä 248, keskellä kdevelopin ebuild käännöstä. :?
Sen minä osaan sanoa sinulle tuosta ilmoituksesta.

Eli kaikki sen sun kopypastettaman rivin yläpuolella olevat rivit reilusti tänne vain. käytä code tagia kun laitat noita pitkii virhe raportteja. ;)


dokumentaation saat päälle kun lisäät make.conffii sellaisen jännän use flagin kuin "docs" (tai "doc"). Kato, että sulla on siellä muuten ainakin "python" ja "perl" use flagit myös.

QT ja kdebase on aika pitkälle ne mitä tarvitaan minimi asennukseen kdevelopille. QT 3.x ja kdebase 3.5.x
Kunhan noiden depencyt on täytetty niin kDevelopin kääntäminen ei pitäisi olla mikään ongelma.
Tietysti jos jokin kirjaston osa on mennyt rikki kannattaa ajaa vaikka ihan huvikseen revdep-rebuild -komento roottina. Se etsii ja korjaa kaikki rikki menneet kirjastot ja jos jokin kde komponentti on rikki ja siksi estää kdevelopin kääntämisen niin se korjaa tämä ongelmat.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok, kiitos, revdep-rebuild tuossa raksuttaa ja sen jalkeen kokeilen josko tuo kone tottelisi (edes hiukan) - lupaan myos puuttuvat rivit jos ei suju
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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