New Portage Frontend

Tenobok · Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:57 am Post subject:

I would call the programm "Emerge and see", but that's too long and that's why I would shorten it to emergeNC, which would be fitting to the programm in three ways. (Emerge 'n' see, for the graphical part - emergeNC (Because it uses NCurses) - and a nice wordplay with emergency.
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Krogen · Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:54 pm Post subject:

EmergeNC would be no good just for that reason - it rhymes with emergency. Emergency would be a good name for a backup utility - not a portage frontend.

gollo · n00b Joined: 07 Oct 2004 Posts: 9

Maybe I'm missing something but why are we re-inventing the wheel? There are already portage GUI's. For example Kuroo. Granted this one has the nice cli GUI so that's a plus in it's favor but everything else (remote admin, etc) could all be added fairly easy couldn't it? Just my 0.02.

dol-sen · Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:26 pm Post subject:

He started out wanting to make an ncurses gui. He has since added gtk, etc as other gui frontends. As for porthole, I would not turn down the opportunity to add an ncurses frontend, but as the code stands it would still require gtk for an ncurses front end. There are parts of the code logic embeded in the widget processing/updating. I intend on seperating out what I can so that alternate widget sets can be install flag options. ie. KDE, gtk2, etc. Possibly even an ncurses one if someone wants to do it. Unfortunately seperating out some code will add replication of code and some aditional complexity.

Don't forget, people have different ways of looking at things. He may prefer a different layout of data than what Kuroo and Porthole offer. If not then perhaps it would be better to see if interface development could be added one of the existing projects.
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JeDi · n00b Joined: 10 Feb 2003 Posts: 42 Location: Belgium

What would be nice is one tool that is decently implemented. What I mean by that is that seperate logic parts are also implemented seperately (I would do that using OO design, but I don't know what language(s) you guys use). It seems that you are planning to abstract the GUI, so more frontends can be made, so that's one big step in the right direction. But other parts could be abstracted as well (sort of plugin system), so new features can be added easily (like the suggestions made in this thread).
Off course I don't have time to help, so these things are easy to say :oops:

What I want to say is just that as long as there isn't a really flexible portage management tool, new ones will keep springing up, while otherwise only new modules for the one framework would spring up...

So good luck with this, I will follow its progress (and start testing it as soon as I'm done doing windows mobile development in visual studio :roll:

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One more suggestion that I would like to see: if you want to have a tool to easily manage the packages of remote gentoo boxes, I would choose for an web frontend. Every computer has a decent browser nowadays, so you wouldn't need extra software to do some quick'n dirty managing at you parents-in-law's house. It would become something like webmin, or maybe even a module for webmin?

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buanzo · Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:13 pm Post subject:

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buanzo · Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:17 am Post subject:

dol-sen · Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 2:42 pm Post subject:

1) There already is a webmin module for portage. But I believe it is out of date with portage development.

2) Porthole already has a plug-in system, I just don;t have any really good ones though. I have a plugin for profuse, but I have found profuse to mees things up so I have not released it. Another porthole dev came up with a reverse dep plug-in but I have not heard from him in ages

3) for a browser based portage frontend there is/was one made for kde and konquerer, I don't recall the name. But I belive it was not for remote management.

4) Porthole started out as a simple portage browser, that grew and grew. Keeping all logic separate from from gui widgets can be difficult and keeping the two syncronized even more difficult. I know I've been trying to separate some. Some advice, you may find it easier to duplicate functionality in replacement modules for different frontends than keeping the logic completely separate from the gui widgets. It will simplify things greatly in some cases.
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GNUtoo · Veteran Joined: 05 May 2005 Posts: 1919

you could also add advanced search capabilirties
an example wouls be:
to be able to search for a package within a cathegory

reason:
the web frontend isn't great and there is too much packages so sometime it's impossible to find the one you want

buanzo · Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:12 am Post subject:

GNUtoo · Veteran Joined: 05 May 2005 Posts: 1919

and what about a gestion of binary packages
there are 2 computer
one computer could make the other compile the package and it's dependencies over ssh

it should also be cool to track the dependencies of packages
an example:you install firefox
you dont want it anymore
you unmerge it but not it's dependencies...
but mabe that's a portage related problem

buanzo · Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:26 am Post subject:

GNUtoo · Veteran Joined: 05 May 2005 Posts: 1919

by the way i wait for a great feature in portage 2.2 is there any information about the relase or the developement of the 2.2???

circus-killer · Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:40 am Post subject:

Sachankara · Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:40 am Post subject:

Well, wouldn't "PortageGUI" and "PortageCurses" be much more simple? Even though the normal portage tool is called emerge...
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buanzo · Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:14 am Post subject:

Oh come on, we had this "names" discussion PAGES ago

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Genone · Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:48 pm Post subject:

andrewd18 · Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:31 pm Post subject:

I'd like to see a feature where certain packages could be compiled with different CFLAGS="" options. Xine doesn't do well with -ggdb in the CFLAGS, but I use it for the rest of the system; a nice, easy way of doing that would be nice too.

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Sachankara · Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:43 pm Post subject:

The best way to do something if you can't come up with a name for it: Call it project X, develop it, finish it, debug it, then come up with a name when you have something to display. There are too many projects that discuss a lot but don't produce any code. At the same time you don't get people exited for something that might eventually fail, so you'll save yourself some embarrasment...

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Dralnu · Veteran Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 1919

I should complain to my ISP. My net is WAY slow. Anyways:

I think that portage works just fine as-is. Emerge with a CLI is fine. Konsole works with it. Why the need?

If you have to make one, why not Port Fe, as in Port[age] F[ront] e[nd]. Maybe stupid, I don't know, but both mentioned names make about as much sense as, well, they just don't make sense (actually, I couldn't come up with something funny to say).
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LanceHaverkamp · n00b Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 3

How about ezmerge

Lance

Zucca · Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject: Whoa.

I'd really like to see a one ncurses portage frontend.
I currently use emerge from command line and sometimes Kuroo.

Ncurses based could be easily ran from remote computer via ssh (in my case: from cellphone ;P) and what's even better: it can be ran in screen (the software, not device).

Oh btw: If someone already knows about ncurses based Portage frontend, please tell me. =)
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