The default virtual/editor should be...

ciaranm

Not that this will get anything changed, but the results might be interesting... Note that this is not asking what your favourite editor is.

Monkeh · Veteran Joined: 06 Aug 2005 Posts: 1656 Location: England

vim. I can't actually use anything else, and despite what most people say, it's insanely easy to use.

killomatic · n00b Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 38

woops... just instinctively voted vim without considering what "default editor" meant.

Should be nano. Despite the fact that it's almost useless for productive editing, it can be picked up and used without experience.

Vim, while awesome in every respect, cannot be used at all without prior knowledge. It's only easy to those of us who have used it forever, and when that happens, it becomes hard to use anything else, and lifting your hands off the keyboard to reach for the mouse becomes an immensely annoying trial when you're forced to use anything "not vim."

Emacs is slightly useable without knowing anything about it, but it's too bloated, and some of people don't even bother installing it.

pjp · Administrator Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20067

:lol: OpenOffice.

vim. Happens to be my editor of choice, but voted because I can't stand nano, and have never figured out emacs. Not familiar with nvi.
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meax · Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:13 am Post subject:

What killomatic said(w/o the accidently voting for vim part).
Plus, vim is on the Install- and LiveCDs and a 'emerge vim' isn't really that far away.
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Monkeh · Veteran Joined: 06 Aug 2005 Posts: 1656 Location: England

ciaranm · Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:19 am Post subject:

meax · Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:21 am Post subject:

Monkeh · Veteran Joined: 06 Aug 2005 Posts: 1656 Location: England

ciaranm · Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:08 am Post subject:

Monkeh · Veteran Joined: 06 Aug 2005 Posts: 1656 Location: England

Well then perhaps vim, or at least a minimal version of plain old vi, should be part of the system profile. Because nano just doesn't work for all of us (I can't use it at all).

pjp · Administrator Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20067

I hate nano with a passion, but I can certainly suffer through it until I get vim emerged. As much as I'd love to see it available, it doesn't break anything without it.
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Raftysworld · Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:34 am Post subject:

ciaranm · Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:38 am Post subject:

Monkeh · Veteran Joined: 06 Aug 2005 Posts: 1656 Location: England

vim is insanely easy to use. If you can't work out how it works in under 30 seconds, you shouldn't be using Gentoo, no, you shouldn't be using Linux in the firstplace.

Raftysworld · Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:57 am Post subject:

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Ian · Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:57 am Post subject:

Nano should be default, simply because you can use it as soon as you open the program, the instructions are all right there, it's very clear how to make it work.

Personally, I choose Emacs. I'm not a power user, in fact, I suck at it. But an internship I had a few years back, the guy I worked for was an Emacs guru, so I picked it up a bit, and Vim was somewhat affectionately shunned as "that beepy thing."

Linux shouldn't force you to read the docs just to use it, yes, you should read them, especially if you're using Gentoo, but if you need to make a quick text edit, you shouldn't have to spend hours learning how to use a very powerful text editor, let the poor bastards learn how Gentoo works first, then let them worry about the great Emacs/Vim battle ;-)

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shinadul · Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 5:56 am Post subject:

Nano should be the default, but i know alot of seasoned unix-guru's would love to have vim available without need of emerging it first.

When i chroot, the first thing i do is "emerge vi".

killomatic · n00b Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 38

Earthwings · Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:25 am Post subject:

Please do NOT turn this into another vi vs. emacs vs. another-editor flamewar. We've got this one in the Required Vi vs Emacs discussion.
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Monkeh · Veteran Joined: 06 Aug 2005 Posts: 1656 Location: England

Shadow Skill · Veteran Joined: 04 Dec 2004 Posts: 1023

Meh just make Nano the default when someone is first going through thier *nix install and need to do a quick edit its better to have something that presents some of the more common operations immedeatly and does not require you to do things like hit insert to be able to actually add text to a text file. I also wonder why when you are not in insert mode you cannot move the cursor to the absolute end of a line.

I never really used to like vim at all and then got into it as I was searching for a more appropriate coding tool. So eventually I did give it a chance but I seriously would not recommend vim/vi with all of its power notwithstanding as a default editor for the purposes of the install unless it was tweaked to work more like ee [freebsd editor] or nano.
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omp · Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:36 am Post subject:

I voted Vim.

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StringCheesian · l33t Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Posts: 887

I'm used to MS-DOS's edit.com, so I find nano more familiar. I think the same would be true of other Windows/Mac converts too.

Vim and emacs are weird.