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cokehabit
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 Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:55 pm Post subject: New (sub)Forum Needed For Installer Woes |
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I have talked about this extensively online and was suggested to start a thread. It seems like I am slightly in the minority about this happening but i feel that it should be looked more from a users point of view and specifically the point of view of someone who reguarly helps other on the forums.
My suggestion is creating a sub forum of "Installing Gentoo" specifically for the Installer. My reasons for this are that it is very annoying trying to help people when they say something about the installer isn't working or neglect to say that their problem is with the installer until half way through the thread.
At the moment the installer is NOT the default installation method for ANY architecture and is only avaliable for x86 anyway, the installer method is in beta and has only replaced the Networkless+GRP install.
This has been discussed with Agaffney and he concluded (like me) that it would greatly increase his ability to find bugs with the installer.
There is no need to have seperate forums for other installation ways (stage 1/2, knoppix etc) unless Gentoo is going to support them.
This would also mean that those who have to use the non-installer method (those who wish to have parts left out, business systems, router systems) have somewhere to put their problems other wise their posts will get lost in all the installer noise and people will expect that they are using an installer.
It has been put that moderators would spend too much time moving posts but i disagree because people will see that there is a seperate place with INSTALLER HELP written there.
Whatever happens the new (sub)forum is necessary for developers, for the people giving help and for the users of the installer itself. |
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jmbsvicetto
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I have to agree with cokehabit.
Since the 2006.0 release, the Installing Gentoo forum has been swamped with posts about the GLI installer. I don't know if a sub-forum is the best solution, but finding a way to separate the installer issues would be helpful. If you think that a sub-forum is too much for now, at least consider creating a sticky thread like the GRUB error collection.
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cokehabit
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| jmbsvicetto wrote: | | If you think that a sub-forum is too much for now, at least consider creating a sticky thread like the GRUB error collection. |
the problem with having a sticky thread is that a thread can only be one subject like GRUB errors (and their meanings) where as the installer will have a multitude of teething problems. |
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welp
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I think that this is a good idea, to be honest, I don't spend much time here, but it'll stil be usefull for all
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jmbsvicetto
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| cokehabit wrote: | | jmbsvicetto wrote: | | If you think that a sub-forum is too much for now, at least consider creating a sticky thread like the GRUB error collection. |
the problem with having a sticky thread is that a thread can only be one subject like GRUB errors (and their meanings) where as the installer will have a multitude of teething problems. |
cokehabit, I agree with you. I just meant that if the moderators are not willing to create a subforum at the moment, creating a sticky thread would be a good "first step".
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yabbadabbadont
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| Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| If only we could get the people using the installer to post to a sticky thread... I don't know how many grub errors I see posted to places other than the grub errors sticky. I guess it couldn't hurt though. I would prefer a subforum for the installer too. |
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cokehabit
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| Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| jmbsvicetto wrote: | | cokehabit wrote: | | jmbsvicetto wrote: | | If you think that a sub-forum is too much for now, at least consider creating a sticky thread like the GRUB error collection. |
the problem with having a sticky thread is that a thread can only be one subject like GRUB errors (and their meanings) where as the installer will have a multitude of teething problems. |
cokehabit, I agree with you. I just meant that if the moderators are not willing to create a subforum at the moment, creating a sticky thread would be a good "first step". |
that is very true. I am fed up of "Installing Gentoo" at the moment. |
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jmbsvicetto
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Well, isn't there any moderator with an opinion on this issue?
I counted at least 10 threads in the first page of the Installing Gentoo forum directly related to 2006.0. As cokehabit has expressed, it's becoming an exercise of will to wonder around that forum. By the way, I have no problem with the GUI installer - I just never used it. Therefore, I don't feel qualified to answer people's questions about it.
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Genone
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| Seems like a good opportunity to introduce subforums to the support forums (from my limited POV they work just fine in the German forums). |
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amne
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We haven't forgotten about this thread, but before we set up any new subforums we need to adjust a few things. This is hopefully going to happen soon.
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cokehabit
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| Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:25 am Post subject: |
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| yay! I suggested something sensible at last? |
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cokehabit
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| is there any update on this? |
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I've got an update. I had been using Ubuntu for the last few weeks (I get bored and switch distros every month or two) but decided to reinstall Gentoo. I figured, what the heck, I'll use the shiny new installer(s) so that I'll have a clue when people ask for help. Bad idea. Since I have (had) a separate /home partition with current data, and a month old backup on a different drive, I figured I would be okay. This is the first time in many years that I've had a linux installer trash my partitions. Given all the "Please Help" posts on the installers, I was very careful to not change any partitions. I just told it to format root, boot, and swap, and to mount root, boot, and my existing home. It got the first three right... I knew I should have just done a normal install.
Okay, enough ranting. Are there any updates on creating the subforum? |
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amne
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Sorry, no progress due to real-life reasons currently.
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| amne wrote: | | Sorry, no progress due to real-life reasons currently. |
Perhaps until the time is found a "sticky" titled "LiveCD Install Q&A" would suffice?
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jmbsvicetto
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Can we expect any development on this soon? To be honest, I think most of the posts in the forum these days are about the GLI.
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tomk
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Before adding any new subforums we want to get people's opinions on which layout would be best. I've created this poll for that purpose, please vote if you've got an opinion.
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tomk,
I've cast my vote!  Hope to see the sub-forums soon! 
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