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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A piece of paper, your brain, and a calculator?
nope, not good enough.
Instead of OTW you could have pen pals, and who needs Slashdot when you can subscribe to Wired magazine and read a newspaper? What have I left out? Databases? Fuck that. There's nothing wrong with a spiral notebook and a pencil.
pen pals- sending mail is expensive, slow and bad for the environment.

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pencil- my handwriting REALLY sucks.
With your pickiness in mind, what are my alternatives to pork?
curry
pork curry?
sausage curry
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that is enough quote pyramids, kthnxbye.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:28 pm    Post subject: Re: What is wrong with eating pork? Reply with quote

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I'd like some people to convince me that people shouldn't eat pork. We need some good reasons. And "my religion says not to" isn't a proper answer.


What freedom do you loose by others not eating pork?

Seriously. You might as well ask why do people not eat insects (some cultures do).
The answer is, because you have been thought not to do it.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:57 pm    Post subject: Re: What is wrong with eating pork? Reply with quote

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cokehabit wrote:
I'd like some people to convince me that people shouldn't eat pork. We need some good reasons. And "my religion says not to" isn't a proper answer.
What freedom do you loose by others not eating pork?
i couldn't give a shit whether people did or not. The fact is that some dont and there must be a reason and this is the thread for discussing it kthxbye

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Seriously. You might as well ask why do people not eat insects (some cultures do).
The answer is, because you have been thought not to do it.
i'd love to try them. I have eaten snails, frogs, pigs intestine and various animals and molluscs that we dont normally eat in western civilisation and i do so because i think people should try everything atleast once so i am fascinated when people wont eat something because someone said so 3000 years ago.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Food > religion
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Food > religion
where is sex on this scale?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only wrong people are pork people. They need a 12 step program. Remember, admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The only wrong people are pork people. They need a 12 step program. Remember, admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery.


Well yes if you are made out pork there is definatly something wrong with you. :wink:
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those jewish reasons sound pretty ethnic supremacist, rather than spirirtual/religious...

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Nope pork is a problem too, if you cook the pork well you shouldnt have any problems. This applies to the whole pig family including bear


bear or boar?


I dont have experiance with boar but probably as well. Bear is a member of the pig family just like boar. Though they look nothing alike.

Nope. Pigs are related to hippos, and distantly to things like cows, deer, sheep, goats, camels and other ungulates. A totally different line to bears, which are related to things like dogs, seals, racoons, badgers, pandas etc.

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Pigs are VERY close to humans genetically.
So their sicknesses can tranfer on us better than other animals sickenesses.
If you undercook pork you run a risk of getting sick, hence some peoples ban pork.

Not really VERY close. I think you are confusing the insertion of human genes into experimental pigs for xeno transplantation research that get's into the news, and some historical misconceptions based upon unscientific anthropomorphic comparisons, for facts. Pigs aren't any more genetically related to humans than are cows or deer, we're all placental mammals so much similarity is expected, but there are many genetically closer species to humans. Even a rat is closer. The high incidence of illness from pig to human, when compared to cow to human, is probably from the domestic pig's somewhat shallow genepool and thus weakish immune system.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pork? Pork is good. I do feel a bit guilty about eating such a remarkably smart animal, though (and wee piglets really are cute). Perhaps they could evolve a plan to be less tasty so that they could progress to civilization and such.

You know what is not good? Chittlins. I do my best to try new things, but one bite of chittlins made me want to put the rest as far away from me as humanly possible. I was quietly retching for quite a while afterward. If I wasn't in public, I might have hurled.

Pork, though... chops, bacon, ribs, sausage, or best of all a good pulled-pork smoked shoulder sandwich with barbeque sauce.. good stuff. Glad I'm not religious.

Do feel bad about the smart li'l piggies, though. Hmm.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

drizek wrote:

curry

Don't like Indian food.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's green and smells of pork?

Kermit's middle finger.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pork? Pork is good. I do feel a bit guilty about eating such a remarkably smart animal, though (and wee piglets really are cute). Perhaps they could evolve a plan to be less tasty so that they could progress to civilization and such.

You know what is not good? Chittlins. I do my best to try new things, but one bite of chittlins made me want to put the rest as far away from me as humanly possible. I was quietly retching for quite a while afterward. If I wasn't in public, I might have hurled.

Pork, though... chops, bacon, ribs, sausage, or best of all a good pulled-pork smoked shoulder sandwich with barbeque sauce.. good stuff. Glad I'm not religious.

Do feel bad about the smart li'l piggies, though. Hmm.

Recent studies which I refuse to cite show that fruits have evolved hyper intelligence and have become self-aware. Makes me feel guilty to eat an apple.

It's food mate why feel guilty about it?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both human experience and scientific data have confirmed the commandments concerning healthcare issues, found in the Holy Scriptures. The prohibition of pork consumption is an example of such a commandment.

“Oh ye people! Eat of what is on earth, lawful and good. If there is any restriction on you from Allah, subhaana wa ta´aala, that is – do not eat the dead animals (Maytatah), avoid the blood and the flesh of swine (pork), and do not eat any such thing on which someone´s else name has been pronounced except the name of Allah, subhaana wa ta´aala. Yet, if someone is in the situation of helplessness and he/she eats any of these things without that he/she has the intention to break the Law or exceeds the limits of necessity, then there is no sin on him/her, Allah, subhaana wa ta´aala, is Oft-Forgiving and Loving” (The Holy Quran, II: 172, 173).

A similar commandment may be found in the Bible:

“You shall not eat any abominable things <…> And the pig, because it has a cloven hoof but does not chew the cud, you shall regard as unclean. You shall not eat their flesh or even touch their dead carcasses” (Deuteronomy, XIV: 8).

The medical aspects of the prohibition

To abstain from consuming pork means to care about one’s health. The omnivorous pig, being by far the most slovenly and greedy domestic animal, devours virtually anything, including human excrement and is a breeding ground for various malignant microbes and parasites. Consumption of pork may result in many serious diseases. We are safe to assume that one of the main reasons behind the prohibition of pork consumption was the spread of trichinosis, - a disease caused by trichinella spiralis, a parasitic roundworm.

Trichinosis is caused by eating infected raw or insufficiently cooked pork, in which the immature parasite is encysted. When such a piece of meat is eaten, the encysted embryos are set free in the intestines, and develop into full-grown trichinae. From each pair of these, thousands of new embryos may arise in the course of several weeks. As soon as this new generation of embryos is produced, they make their way into the wall of the bowel, and thence wander through the circulation system, finally depositing themselves between the fibers of the voluntary muscles, where they become encysted. The first symptoms develop in the course of two weeks after the infection. The disease is characterized by fever and severe pain in the limbs and muscles, oedema of the soft tissues, and eosinophilia in the blood. The infection may result in severe damage to the nervous system (in the form of encephalitis), cardiac muscle (miocarditis), as well as other complications.

Despite the therapeutic advances, contemporary medicine does not provide an effective cure for trichinosis. The only efficient protection, therefore, is based on prevention, or giving up eating pork. Although the meat is subject to thorough inspection in slaughter-houses, as well as by the Sanitary Inspection, this procedure does not give a one hundred percent guarantee, as was clearly shown by the recent outbreak in Moscow.

The list of the microbes and parasites found in pork is vast. It should be emphasized that many of these diseases as yet remain incurable.

Taenia Solium (tapeworm). The taeniasis is caused by the brain’s infestation by the larvae form of the pork tapeworm, the gastrointestinal parasite, and may constitute up to 1.3 percent of the intracranial volume. The parasite’s onchosphere travels through the mucous membranes of the blood vessels into the portal circulatory system, and is thence transported throughout the body, infecting various internal organs, as well as the brain. The course of the disease is remittent and, symptomatically, is characterized by the presence of several niduses. The infestation may often be manifested in the development of the epileptic syndrome, meningism and the increase of the intracranial pressure.

Roundworms. Ascariasis may result in appendicitis, and some types of jaundice. The infestation is known to cause dyspepsia.

Schitosoma Japonica. This disease is manifested in hemorrhages and anemia. In the case of the ova infesting the brain or bone marrow, the disease may bring about paralysis or death.

Paragonimus Westermani. Infestation may result in haemoptysis, or the coughing up of blood, due to the worm setting in the lungs.

Paciolepsis Buski. This parasite causes dyspepsia, severe diarrhea and general edema.

Clonorchis Sinensis. Infestation by this parasite may be manifested in some types of jaundice.

Metastrongylus Apri may cause bronchitis or the inflammation of the lungs’ tissue.

Gigantorinchus Gigas causes anemia and dyspepsia.

Balantidium Coli is known to cause acute dysentery, resulting in the severe emaciation.

Bacterial diseases

Tuberculosis.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pork? Pork is good. I do feel a bit guilty about eating such a remarkably smart animal, though (and wee piglets really are cute). Perhaps they could evolve a plan to be less tasty so that they could progress to civilization and such.

You know what is not good? Chittlins. I do my best to try new things, but one bite of chittlins made me want to put the rest as far away from me as humanly possible. I was quietly retching for quite a while afterward. If I wasn't in public, I might have hurled.

Pork, though... chops, bacon, ribs, sausage, or best of all a good pulled-pork smoked shoulder sandwich with barbeque sauce.. good stuff. Glad I'm not religious.

Do feel bad about the smart li'l piggies, though. Hmm.

Recent studies which I refuse to cite show that fruits have evolved hyper intelligence and have become self-aware. Makes me feel guilty to eat an apple.

It's food mate why feel guilty about it?


I know you're joking but... Apples most likely don't have intelligence. They don't have a nervous system, they don't have a brain, they don't react to stimuli, etc. Pigs have and do this. A pig can feel pleasure and pain just like you and I, while a fruit can not. Therefore it makes sense to consider a pig's interest when making an ethical decision about eating, while we don't need to consider the apple.

If you never need to feel guilty about food, what if I chose human as food, dogs as food, cats as food. Should I still not feel guilty? Just because many people use it as food doesn't mean that we shouldn't question if it is right or wrong.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pigs don't 'feel' they expierience. And blah blah blah. God I hate those 'scientists' that like to see humans as some sort of ubercreature.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know that pigs are very intelligent animals, but I don't feel guilty about eating pig meat.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know that pigs are very intelligent animals, but I don't feel guilty about eating pig meat.


Oh, I don't feel bad about eating pork, I feel bad about eating pigs. Lol. To most people, meat products are things you buy at the store shrink-wrapped. Pretty rare that people these days "meet the meat" as it were.

When I was on a Christmas vacation as a kid, my dad camcordered everything (this was back when 8mm videotape cameras were TEH UBER TH1NG!!@!). And I mean EVERYTHING. So we didn't think anything of it when he left with a farmer friend and came back. Months later, we're watching touching family Christmas gatherings, kids around the tree, presents, the works. Suddenly the picture changes to a cow. From the side of the frame, a shotgun barrel entered the picture...

BOOM!

And sure enough, Dad records the field butchering of his friend's cow. In the middle of our Christmas video. Needless to say, I was emotionally scarred for weeks!

Now, I have gone hunting in the past (don't really care for it now; I'd rather do target shooting in a nice comfy range if I need that experience, or just plain ol' camping if I want that experience--not both at once), done fishing, etc.--it's not like it's a big mystery where meat comes from. But there's a world of difference between picking up a cryovac beef primal at the supermarket and seeing how we treat livestock.

None of this has stopped me from owning a smoker and periodically going on a carnivorous binge, mind you (although since the best smoking meats are pretty darn fatty, I don't do this as often as I might). But if there was a way to obtain pork without killing pigs raised in nasty conditions (vat-grown pork protein?), man, I'd take it in a heartbeat and let the li'l oinkers go about their happy lives.

Hey, even chickens have personalities (even if they share a standard stereotype). Just ask Mike the Headless Chicken.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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so lets get this straight... They dont eat pork because of things that happened 2000 years ago? Methinks it is time for eyes to open and see that things have moved on.


haha, and that from a englishman..
kick the queen off the throne then, will ya?
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cokehabit wrote:
so lets get this straight... They dont eat pork because of things that happened 2000 years ago? Methinks it is time for eyes to open and see that things have moved on.


haha, and that from a englishman..
kick the queen off the throne then, will ya?
The Queen still has a use in the British tourist indutsry.
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pitcrawler wrote:
c0balt wrote:
cokehabit wrote:
so lets get this straight... They dont eat pork because of things that happened 2000 years ago? Methinks it is time for eyes to open and see that things have moved on.


haha, and that from a englishman..
kick the queen off the throne then, will ya?
The Queen still has a use in the British tourist indutsry.


kinda utilitarian view of traditions, judging them by their usefulness to economy
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I know some people that eat bacon raw.

Its totally utterly gross to eat bacon like that, but they never get sick it seems.

and they have done it there entire lives...

Yep, I do. But, its a different bacon. its spiced. I would somewhat agree that the regular bacon you can buy in majority of places tastes horrible.
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c0balt wrote:
pitcrawler wrote:
c0balt wrote:
cokehabit wrote:
so lets get this straight... They dont eat pork because of things that happened 2000 years ago? Methinks it is time for eyes to open and see that things have moved on.


haha, and that from a englishman..
kick the queen off the throne then, will ya?
The Queen still has a use in the British tourist indutsry.


kinda utilitarian view of traditions, judging them by their usefulness to economy
Most people in the UK just don't really care about it. We're too busy getting on with our own day to day lives. What's this got to do with pork again? :?
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pitcrawler wrote:
c0balt wrote:
pitcrawler wrote:
c0balt wrote:
cokehabit wrote:
so lets get this straight... They dont eat pork because of things that happened 2000 years ago? Methinks it is time for eyes to open and see that things have moved on.


haha, and that from a englishman..
kick the queen off the throne then, will ya?
The Queen still has a use in the British tourist indutsry.


kinda utilitarian view of traditions, judging them by their usefulness to economy
Most people in the UK just don't really care about it. We're too busy getting on with our own day to day lives. What's this got to do with pork again? :?
Most Jews and Muslims are similarly pre-occupied with daily life.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PoLaT wrote:

...blah blah pseudo-scientific stuff..

Schitosoma Japonica.

.......


Correction: Schistosoma Japonicum. It's intermediate hosts are various snails and infection is mostly spread by an intermediate form named cercariae, which dwell in water. In this case the Bible and Q'uran are wrong.
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