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aneeshm
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| ChristyMcJesus wrote: | | Naib wrote: | | Fair enough with sikhs not eating beef because a cow is a holy animal. |
Er, Hindus. |
I'm not sure about this , but Sikhism evolved as a sect of Hinduism , so even today , Sikhs don't eat beef .
The reson for the holiness of the cow is an interesting one . In the old days , cattle were the capital of the farmers , upon whom the economy depended . If they had cattle , they could till the land , and get free fertiliser ( in the form of dung ) , along with having a supply of milk . If they killed their cattle to eat them during times of famine , they would have no capital the next time the rains came . That is the practical reason the cow was holy . The religious reason was primarily one of gratitude - the cow gave the people milk , curd , buttermilk , cowdung ( as fertiliser ) , clarified butter , and cow urine ( which was used in those days as an antiseptic ) .
The important thing is that even today , many of these reasons remain valid for farmers in the more backward and rural areas of India , so even now the holiness given to the cow serves a constructive purpose . |
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| Naib wrote: | | cokehabit wrote: | | Beetle B. wrote: | | wrote: | | yeah...? We don't execute people. We, as a country and a system, have evolved past that |
Yeah? And where was it suggested that you execute people? |
I was just pointing it out. We have evolved past the uneducated, ill-informed, barbaric, pathetic Sharia Law. It is what makes countries with it look like 2nd class countries and the lowest of the low. Even 3rd world countries have more respect because quite a few have democracy and proper laws and independant governing systems that have changed in the last 1400 years. |
its pointless trying to hold a logical discussion with someone who is stuck in the 6C, back then they thought the world was flat. What hope do we have in showing through logical discussion the error's in Sharia and trying to implement it in a 21C Britain |
The problem is that they are hiding behind the UK's tolerance to religions and trying to use this tolerance to bring about exactly the opposite.
People like this make a mockery of the democratic process and really have no right to excersize it when it is being used to take away the rights of others.
How can you reason with someone who is so sick they would rather have their wife stoned to death than be unfaithful?
As you say the discussion is based on dealing with someone with a 6C mentality, completely pointless so its about time they were rounded up and deported before they spread thier poison further! |
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aneeshm
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| Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| As for the Shariah debate - why not give the Muslims excatly what they want : a choice ? Have a common criminal code for all citizens , but give each Muslim a choice between whether he wants his matters of personal law to be under the common code , or under Shariah . This way , the fundamentalist Muslims will remain backwards , whereas the liberals will enjoy the same freedoms others do . This is the system in India , and it works perfectly . Terrorists who carry out attacks on India are never Indian Muslims - they have to be brought into India from the outside . That is because the Indian system works at defanging the fundies . |
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gowator
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| Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| aneeshm wrote: | | As for the Shariah debate - why not give the Muslims excatly what they want : a choice ? Have a common criminal code for all citizens , but give each Muslim a choice between whether he wants his matters of personal law to be under the common code , or under Shariah . This way , the fundamentalist Muslims will remain backwards , whereas the liberals will enjoy the same freedoms others do . This is the system in India , and it works perfectly . Terrorists who carry out attacks on India are never Indian Muslims - they have to be brought into India from the outside . That is because the Indian system works at defanging the fundies . |
Have you read the EU report on implementation of Shariah law in Nigeria?
The problem is the UK is a member of several bodies which almost all condemn executions and is not about to go back.
What about Muslims who moved to the UK for its tolerance and modern judicial system? what about equality in terms of religion, sex, sexuality and race?
How do we regualte, what if someone serves a muslim a drink.. are they subject to barbaric shariah law? Do we need to ID people by religion... and ask they wear a red cresent on thier sleeve?
But must of all .. what about muslims who do not want to be subject to shariah law? Are they to be executed for this? |
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