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cokehabit
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| I'd like some people to convince me that people shouldn't eat pork. We need some good reasons. And "my religion says not to" isn't a proper answer. |
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Why would you like to be convinced not to eat pork?
Pork is tasty. |
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pork is tasty
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| thats the thing, i'm eating a large plate of sausages and bacon and i was thinking back to why muslims and jews dont eat pork and i thought "why dont they eat it now?" The same rules dont apply to 2000 years ago |
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Fair enough with sikhs not eating beef because a cow is a holy animal. But jew and Muslims dont eat pigs not because of a religious label associated with the animal but bacause it is a "dirty" animal, that why you wash and cook food 
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| Naib wrote: | | Fair enough with sikhs not eating beef because a cow is a holy animal. |
Er, Hindus. |
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| ChristyMcJesus wrote: | | Naib wrote: | | Fair enough with sikhs not eating beef because a cow is a holy animal. |
Er, Hindus. |
yup thats what I ment 
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pork is tasty
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with jews its a part of their ritual, ie. not eating pork and other dirty animals. with muslims, i think the story was that a pig had something to do with muhammad and they cant eat pig since then or something like that. i cant remember what the exact story was.
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| petrjanda wrote: | | with jews its a part of their ritual, ie. not eating pork and other dirty animals. with muslims, i think the story was that a pig had something to do with muhammad and they cant eat pig since then or something like that. i cant remember what the exact story was. |
and there we have it
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| petrjanda wrote: | | with jews its a part of their ritual, ie. not eating pork and other dirty animals. with muslims, i think the story was that a pig had something to do with muhammad and they cant eat pig since then or something like that. i cant remember what the exact story was. |
I'm pretty sure that Islam is just a ripoff of Judaism, and they've inherited all the useless beliefs such as "pigs are dirty, foreskins are dirty" etc. |
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| ChristyMcJesus wrote: | | petrjanda wrote: | | with jews its a part of their ritual, ie. not eating pork and other dirty animals. with muslims, i think the story was that a pig had something to do with muhammad and they cant eat pig since then or something like that. i cant remember what the exact story was. |
I'm pretty sure that Islam is just a ripoff of Judaism, and they've inherited all the useless beliefs such as "pigs are dirty, foreskins are dirty" etc. |
I dont think that Quran teaches circumcission 
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| petrjanda wrote: | | ChristyMcJesus wrote: | | petrjanda wrote: | | with jews its a part of their ritual, ie. not eating pork and other dirty animals. with muslims, i think the story was that a pig had something to do with muhammad and they cant eat pig since then or something like that. i cant remember what the exact story was. |
I'm pretty sure that Islam is just a ripoff of Judaism, and they've inherited all the useless beliefs such as "pigs are dirty, foreskins are dirty" etc. |
I dont think that Quran teaches circumcission |
So why do they do it then? |
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| petrjanda wrote: | | ChristyMcJesus wrote: | | petrjanda wrote: | | with jews its a part of their ritual, ie. not eating pork and other dirty animals. with muslims, i think the story was that a pig had something to do with muhammad and they cant eat pig since then or something like that. i cant remember what the exact story was. |
I'm pretty sure that Islam is just a ripoff of Judaism, and they've inherited all the useless beliefs such as "pigs are dirty, foreskins are dirty" etc. |
I dont think that Quran teaches circumcission |
I don't know if you already knew but Muslims get circumsized as well..
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| ChristyMcJesus wrote: | | petrjanda wrote: | | ChristyMcJesus wrote: | | petrjanda wrote: | | with jews its a part of their ritual, ie. not eating pork and other dirty animals. with muslims, i think the story was that a pig had something to do with muhammad and they cant eat pig since then or something like that. i cant remember what the exact story was. |
I'm pretty sure that Islam is just a ripoff of Judaism, and they've inherited all the useless beliefs such as "pigs are dirty, foreskins are dirty" etc. |
I dont think that Quran teaches circumcission |
So why do they do it then? |
i think it was actually one of the pre-islamic traditions.
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| so lets get this straight... They dont eat pork because of things that happened 2000 years ago? Methinks it is time for eyes to open and see that things have moved on. |
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| cokehabit wrote: | | so lets get this straight... They dont eat pork because of things that happened 2000 years ago? Methinks it is time for eyes to open and see that things have moved on. |
no shit, chief 
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| cokehabit wrote: | | so lets get this straight... They dont eat pork because of things that happened 2000 years ago? Methinks it is time for eyes to open and see that things have moved on. |
You've got your dates mixed up; 2000ish years ago was when Jesus allegedly appeared. Judaism had been around for quite some time by then, and Mohammed (pbuh) wouldn't have been born for several centuries. |
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| ChristyMcJesus wrote: | | cokehabit wrote: | | so lets get this straight... They dont eat pork because of things that happened 2000 years ago? Methinks it is time for eyes to open and see that things have moved on. |
You've got your dates mixed up; 2000ish years ago was when Jesus allegedly appeared. Judaism had been around for quite some time by then, and Mohammed (pbuh) wouldn't have been born for several centuries. |
mohammed is fron about 400 ad so i thought that offset the fact that judism was older |
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| cokehabit wrote: | | ChristyMcJesus wrote: | | cokehabit wrote: | | so lets get this straight... They dont eat pork because of things that happened 2000 years ago? Methinks it is time for eyes to open and see that things have moved on. |
You've got your dates mixed up; 2000ish years ago was when Jesus allegedly appeared. Judaism had been around for quite some time by then, and Mohammed (pbuh) wouldn't have been born for several centuries. |
mohammed is fron about 400 ad so i thought that offset the fact that judism was older |
So you're saying that if you take the average of Judaism and Islam you get Christianity? |
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You have got it all mixed up. Muslim and some other religionous people does not eat pigs because they believe pig is the ancestor of human. The fact that the molecule structure of pig's skin and organs is very similar to those in human beings does not help at all.
If pig is dirty, then what does it make human?
But then again, many people have no problem with eating human anyway especially when you have no food left for weeks ...
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There were compelling reasons not to eat pork in the past, one of them the risk of Trichinosis, which is (or was) quite common in warmer climates. So my guess is that these rules were from the beginning very sane, even if the reason for the illness was not known. As usual things that can not be explained are given a religious meaning, and that meaning still lives today although the original reasons to avoid pork is as good as gone.
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| ChristyMcJesus wrote: | | cokehabit wrote: | | ChristyMcJesus wrote: | | cokehabit wrote: | | so lets get this straight... They dont eat pork because of things that happened 2000 years ago? Methinks it is time for eyes to open and see that things have moved on. |
You've got your dates mixed up; 2000ish years ago was when Jesus allegedly appeared. Judaism had been around for quite some time by then, and Mohammed (pbuh) wouldn't have been born for several centuries. |
mohammed is fron about 400 ad so i thought that offset the fact that judism was older |
So you're saying that if you take the average of Judaism and Islam you get Christianity? |
no, i'm saying it was the easiest way of saying a date because everyone knew what i was talking about (i have been proved right there), unfortunately i wasn't counting on someone being a pedant |
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| RiBBiT wrote: | | There were compelling reasons not to eat pork in the past, one of them the risk of Trichinosis, which is (or was) quite common in warmer climates. So my guess is that these rules were from the beginning very sane, even if the reason for the illness was not known. As usual things that can not be explained are given a religious meaning, and that meaning still lives today although the original reasons to avoid pork is as good as gone. |
yeah, thats what i'm trying to say. Now the original threat is gone why dont they eat pork now? |
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| cokehabit wrote: | | ChristyMcJesus wrote: | | cokehabit wrote: | | mohammed is fron about 400 ad so i thought that offset the fact that judism was older |
So you're saying that if you take the average of Judaism and Islam you get Christianity? |
no, i'm saying it was the easiest way of saying a date because everyone knew what i was talking about (i have been proved right there), unfortunately i wasn't counting on someone being a pedant |
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