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joecool
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First of all iphitus, I don't appreciate the attitude. And I especially don't like the fact you are accusing me of making those comments on ck. As for the CPU usage thing, i never said any of the schedualers catered to them, however you'd rather twist it to make it look like I did. I merely said staircase has performed poorer then other schedualers on reiser4 from past experiance. I don't have too many posts on these forums, but I think two of them pertain to experiances with schedualer and fs mixes.
I've only stated, and I thought I made it quite clear that I did that past experiance and user response from maintaining no-sources and doing support for love-sources earlier on has shown that staircase has had serious interactivity problems on a good deal of systems with reiser4. I don't force anyone to use anything, I used to encourage plugsched for a time to offer the choice of sched.
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martin.k: I was not complaining about no. I was just clearing the flawed statements that were made by cheater. I do exactly what you say, and *I* maintain ArchCK, so there is at least one stable and reliable patchset out there. |
You mentioned -archck being stable. I've seen more then a few accounts of your patchset being used on various systems and livecds. The results have been very mixed. I noticed lxnay dropped it from his livedvds due to stability issues, you can read the complaints in his forums if you wish. Worse yet, you call it a stable patchset when it includes unstable patches. I believe we call that an "experimental patchset" which is what I call no-sources.
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There is no longer a cko, ArchCK has since replaced it. My point was not to promote CK and Staircase. |
What? You maintain a patchset which has used and will probably always use both. You seem to be promoting ArchCK in here very well. Are you really that desperate to keep your userbase? Another thing, I've been out of the patchset field for months, I don't keep track of which patchsets spring up and die. -no has been around since before -archck, and was last active when -cko was active. If you really wanna work me over on something that small, go for it, I'll ignore you next time.
I used to suggest your patchset as it seemed to fill a pretty good niche, but by no means would I call it stable because you are throwing developmental patches in it. Additionally I've been informed by others that you are annoying to be around. I'm finally getting to experiance that for the first time. Thanks for the heads up, you know who you guys are.
A simple misunderstanding from a misinterpretation of something I said to cheater-conrad. I try to clear things up and get blasted, I don't appreciate it. This is not very professional in any case. I hold a great deal of respect for every other patchset maintainer out there, including those I do not agree with. I don't care if con was laughing about this thread, I would too. Cheater got his facts a little wrong and you're right to call him on it, but by no means are you correct to go about trashing my name, twisting my words, or using the thread as a soapbox for -archck.
I've lost my respect for you iphitus, and your patchset. Don't expect to hear anything good from me, but if i catch you running through my threads to try to slander me some more I'll file a complaint for trolling.
Its a shame it has to come to this. |
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iphitus
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| joecool wrote: | First of all iphitus, I don't appreciate the attitude. And I especially don't like the fact you are accusing me of making those comments on ck. As for the CPU usage thing, i never said any of the schedualers catered to them, however you'd rather twist it to make it look like I did. I merely said staircase has performed poorer then other schedualers on reiser4 from past experiance. I don't have too many posts on these forums, but I think two of them pertain to experiances with schedualer and fs mixes.
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No I stated clearly that they were flawed statements by cheater. I did not once even say your name. I made sure they were not directed at you. You seem a reasonable guy.
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I've only stated, and I thought I made it quite clear that I did that past experiance and user response from maintaining no-sources and doing support for love-sources earlier on has shown that staircase has had serious interactivity problems on a good deal of systems with reiser4. I don't force anyone to use anything, I used to encourage plugsched for a time to offer the choice of sched.
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And I respect your observations.
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You mentioned -archck being stable. I've seen more then a few accounts of your patchset being used on various systems and livecds. The results have been very mixed. I noticed lxnay dropped it from his livedvds due to stability issues, you can read the complaints in his forums if you wish. Worse yet, you call it a stable patchset when it includes unstable patches. I believe we call that an "experimental patchset" which is what I call no-sources.
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More stable compared to most. I suppose I should change my statements to 'relatively stable', you are right there. People are aware that reiser4 is unstable. And should you choose to not use it, then you have a pretty stable system on your hands.
As for the bugs you mention. Sorry, but I only know about bugs if I am contacted or I experience them myself. lxnay hasnt contacted me.
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There is no longer a cko, ArchCK has since replaced it. My point was not to promote CK and Staircase. |
What? You maintain a patchset which has used and will probably always use both. You seem to be promoting ArchCK in here very well. Are you really that desperate to keep your userbase? Another thing, I've been out of the patchset field for months, I don't keep track of which patchsets spring up and die. -no has been around since before -archck, and was last active when -cko was active. If you really wanna work me over on something that small, go for it, I'll ignore you next time.
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I was not trying to promote staircase. I was not trying to promote ArchCK. ArchCK has only been mentioned by me in this thread.. maybe twice
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I used to suggest your patchset as it seemed to fill a pretty good niche, but by no means would I call it stable because you are throwing developmental patches in it. Additionally I've been informed by others that you are annoying to be around. I'm finally getting to experiance that for the first time. Thanks for the heads up, you know who you guys are.
A simple misunderstanding from a misinterpretation of something I said to cheater-conrad. I try to clear things up and get blasted, I don't appreciate it. This is not very professional in any case. I hold a great deal of respect for every other patchset maintainer out there, including those I do not agree with. I don't care if con was laughing about this thread, I would too. Cheater got his facts a little wrong and you're right to call him on it, but by no means are you correct to go about trashing my name, twisting my words, or using the thread as a soapbox for -archck.
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I didnt blast you, and thanks for the personal comments against me. I dont know of anyone I have met online, that i have also met in real life, so I am not sure where that came from. I have mentioned ArchCK only twice before this post. and they were in reply to others comments, and were not intended to promote it. I definitely did not want to use this as a soapbox for it, and I apologise if thats how you see it.
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I've lost my respect for you iphitus, and your patchset. Don't expect to hear anything good from me, but if i catch you running through my threads to try to slander me some more I'll file a complaint for trolling.
Its a shame it has to come to this. |
*shrug* I stand that I never slandered you. Interpret my posts as you wish and I am sorry you have taken them how they were not intended. They were not meant to be negative. But yes, it is a shame.
Have a nice day 
iphitus |
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brot
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Maybe its not a good idea to say this now, as this may end in a war again, so please, do not argue about this..
As far as i understand, there are 2 versions of the ck-kernel:
The first: ck patchset - optimised for desktop usage and fast user responsiveness ( con even said once to disable preemtivness and let staircase handle the load)
The second: cks patchset - optimised for server usage (in gentoo enabled with the server useflag)
So staircase should be well for desktop usage, if not specially tweaked for server usage, or am i wrong ? |
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enderandrew
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:41 am Post subject: |
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I'm a big fan of the CK patches.
At the same time, the MM patchset has some niftyness, and I like to be bleeding edge. (Bleeding edge is a dual-edged sword. You get the latest fixes, and all new bugs at the same time).
There are several patchsets built around CK, and none that I've seen built around MM. In that regard, this patchset will cater to that crowd.
Gentoo is about choice.
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cheater1034
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Hmm,
I have nothing left to say about what this thread has turned into. Hopefully nothing like this will ever happen again in future releases.
If you have a problem with the patchset, or patch choices - you do not have to use it, you can always leave commentary in a friendly way (hopefully) about what you would like to see.
Anyway,
Lets continue to enjoy 2.6.15-no2, and I do not want to see any more flame posts.
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Tiger683
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Sorry for my sarcastic comment,
i just found it hilarious how iphitus was getting so deep into fighting a war, which isn't even his own....
(and also this time didn't hold back from saying the "there's just the one and only stable patchset called archck" phrase
showing up in all posts in non-archck patchset topics  )
As a friendly notice: i assume the oldos mirror is the better one, you might consider to
also switch the installation instructions to it 
cheers, and good luck,
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