Gentoo Forums
Gentoo Forums
Gentoo Forums
Quick Search: in
AMD64-newbie Questions
View unanswered posts
View posts from last 24 hours

 
Reply to topic    Gentoo Forums Forum Index Gentoo on AMD64
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
patrik1982
n00b
n00b


Joined: 01 Jan 2005
Posts: 19

PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 12:32 am    Post subject: AMD64-newbie Questions Reply with quote

I'm about to install gentoo on my newly bought AMD64 computer. I have used gentoo before, but never the 64-bit version.
It seems like people are haveing problems with stuff (java, flash, firefox, and such stuff)

Why is that?
Do I have to use special 64-bit software? Can I use mplayer and stuff, just like I used to do on my old 32-bit linux?

I want everything up and running without having to spend too long time to get it working. I want:
- apache + php + mysql + python
- firefox + java + flash + acrobat + gaim + limewire + bittornado
- latex + gimp + emacs
- mplayer (will codecs work???) + xmms + k3b + alsa + cd-ripper
(I think thats the apps I use 90% of the time)

Will these apps work? Or am I better off waiting a year or so 'til 64-bit gentoo has matured and don't have 32&64-bit problems anymore?

Also, will Maple 9.5 and Matlab 7 R14 work on 64-bit gentoo?

A lot of questions. I hope you guys can answer some of them. :D
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
janiskr
n00b
n00b


Joined: 09 May 2004
Posts: 56
Location: Riga, Latvia

PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

do not know about limewire, all other things works - if you read some manual.

you wil have to set up firefox-bin (32bit version) and flash and 32bit java anything else works nice on my PC :roll: wich ofcorse is amd64

look here
http://www.gentoo.ro/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml
and here
http://www.gentoo.ro/proj/en/base/amd64/howtos/index.xml
_________________
umm... amd64 then...


Last edited by janiskr on Wed Dec 28, 2005 12:52 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mudrii
l33t
l33t


Joined: 26 Jun 2003
Posts: 789
Location: Singapore

PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

- apache + php + mysql + python > full 64 bit support all works well
- firefox + java + flash > 32 bit emulation works well
_________________
www.gentoo.ro
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
J.M.I.T.
Guru
Guru


Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Posts: 481
Location: München, Germany

PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mudrii wrote:
- apache + php + mysql + python > full 64 bit support all works well
- firefox + java + flash > 32 bit emulation works well

you don't even need firefox-bin anymore... you can use nspluginwrapper to use 32bit-plugins in a
64bit-browser... and btw... java works just fine on amd64 even the nsplugins do...
_________________
Get a life...
Code:
:(){ :|:& };:
Use at own risk...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
pacho2
Developer
Developer


Joined: 04 Mar 2005
Posts: 2599
Location: Oviedo, Spain

PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:48 pm    Post subject: Re: AMD64-newbie Questions Reply with quote

Quote:
- apache + php + mysql + python
-> They work natively on a 64 bits system, so, there is no problem with they
Quote:
firefox + java + flash + acrobat + gaim + limewire + bittornado


For run flash you need to use a 32 bits browser version. For install all this software run:
Code:

emerge -av mozilla-bin mozilla-firefox-bin netscape-flash acroread blackdown-jre gaim limewire bittornado

Please, visit http://packages.gentoo.org/

Netscape-flash will install flash player, and it will work on mozilla-bin and firefox-bin. About java, you can also try to use sun-jre-bin, but I haven't tested it and I'm using blackdown-jre succesfully.

Quote:

- latex + gimp + emacs
-> They works on 64 bits mode -> No problem ;)
Code:
- mplayer (will codecs work???)

You have to emerge mplayer-bin for it.
http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=mplayer-bin

Quote:
+ xmms + k3b + alsa + cd-ripper

They run OK on 64 bits mode ;)


IMPORTANT: For run 32 bits apps you have to be enabled 32 bits emulation on your kernel and you have to install the following packages http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=emul-linux-x86
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
hvengel
Guru
Guru


Joined: 19 Sep 2004
Posts: 515

PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As you can see from the above there are a handfull of things that still have problems running as 64 bit apps. Most of these things are not real important to me so I have been running 64 bit versions of these for a while. Mostly so I could keep track of progress on the 64 bit side. A year ago almost none of this worked in even a marginal way. Six months ago much of it was working in 64 bits at least enough to make it useable. Things contiue to improve at a significant pace. I expect that in another six months that all of this stuff will be working very well as 64 bit apps. In the mean time you can run 32 bit version of stuff without any difficulty.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
drwook
Veteran
Veteran


Joined: 30 Mar 2005
Posts: 1324
Location: London

PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the emul-* packages should all get pulled in as dependancies when you install a *-bin 32 bit package anyway, so you shouldn't need to worry about it. If something doesn't, it's a bug in the ebuild so would need putting on bugzilla.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
patrik1982
n00b
n00b


Joined: 01 Jan 2005
Posts: 19

PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 12:22 pm    Post subject: Re: AMD64-newbie Questions Reply with quote

pacho2 wrote:
Code:
- mplayer (will codecs work???)

You have to emerge mplayer-bin for it.
http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=mplayer-bin

Will VLC be the better player in 64-bit gentoo?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
nxsty
Veteran
Veteran


Joined: 23 Jun 2004
Posts: 1556
Location: .se

PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 12:59 pm    Post subject: Re: AMD64-newbie Questions Reply with quote

patrik1982 wrote:
pacho2 wrote:
Code:
- mplayer (will codecs work???)

You have to emerge mplayer-bin for it.
http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=mplayer-bin

Will VLC be the better player in 64-bit gentoo?


No, because of Microsoft´s super multiplatform support there will be no win codecs for anything but 32 bit x86. Of course the free codecs will work in 64 bit but you'll lose the ability to play some proprietary formats .
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
pacho2
Developer
Developer


Joined: 04 Mar 2005
Posts: 2599
Location: Oviedo, Spain

PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 1:10 pm    Post subject: Re: AMD64-newbie Questions Reply with quote

patrik1982 wrote:
pacho2 wrote:
Code:
- mplayer (will codecs work???)

You have to emerge mplayer-bin for it.
http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=mplayer-bin

Will VLC be the better player in 64-bit gentoo?


I haven't tested it :(
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
drwook
Veteran
Veteran


Joined: 30 Mar 2005
Posts: 1324
Location: London

PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard this *OMG we can't have windows codecs!* argument a few times, but I don't have them on my system at all, and have never come across anything I can't play.

does anyone actually know what these support which we allegedly can't use without them?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
widan
Veteran
Veteran


Joined: 07 Jun 2005
Posts: 1512
Location: Paris, France

PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

drwook wrote:
does anyone actually know what these support which we allegedly can't use without them?

Some recent revisions of WMV format AFAIK (the ones with fourcc code "WMV9" - there is support for the older revisions, but not this one, unless they added it since the last time I checked), and maybe also RealPlayer files (not sure for that one).
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
drwook
Veteran
Veteran


Joined: 30 Mar 2005
Posts: 1324
Location: London

PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sounds like a real tragic loss, must be affecting all of 3 people worldwide 8O
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
J.M.I.T.
Guru
Guru


Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Posts: 481
Location: München, Germany

PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

drwook wrote:
I've heard this *OMG we can't have windows codecs!* argument a few times, but I don't have them on my system at all, and have never come across anything I can't play.

does anyone actually know what these support which we allegedly can't use without them?

that's the reason...:

http://www.geocities.com/jmitde/badstunt.wmv

try to play this file with any player in 64bit...
_________________
Get a life...
Code:
:(){ :|:& };:
Use at own risk...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
AA
n00b
n00b


Joined: 29 Jul 2003
Posts: 59

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mudrii wrote:
- firefox + java + flash > 32 bit emulation works well


A little off topic, but can anyone reccomend a good tut on 32-bit emulation.

I need to emulte my sound card in 32-bit for games, specifically enemy territory !!!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
satanskin
Guru
Guru


Joined: 25 Apr 2005
Posts: 353

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M.I.T. wrote:
mudrii wrote:
- apache + php + mysql + python > full 64 bit support all works well
- firefox + java + flash > 32 bit emulation works well

you don't even need firefox-bin anymore... you can use nspluginwrapper to use 32bit-plugins in a
64bit-browser... and btw... java works just fine on amd64 even the nsplugins do...


Where can this nspluginwrapper be found?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
kmtsg
n00b
n00b


Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Posts: 2

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what about BestCrypt? has anyone made that work fine in 64bit environment? I can load the module..
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
h0nke
n00b
n00b


Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 29
Location: /usa/ca/hills

PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

drwook wrote:
sounds like a real tragic loss, must be affecting all of 3 people worldwide 8O


lol thats funny as hell
_________________
--h0nke
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Gentoo Forums Forum Index Gentoo on AMD64 All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum