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| What is your favorite Gentoo installation method? |
| stage1 install by Handbook |
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30% |
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| stage2 install by Handbook |
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4% |
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| stage3 install by Handbook |
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28% |
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| Official Gentoo Installer |
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0% |
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| The Developers Method - Stage1 and NPTL |
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9% |
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| Stage 1/3 Installation by Bob P |
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14% |
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| Jackass! |
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6% |
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| Binary Install - Kororaa |
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1% |
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| GLIS: Gentoo Linux Install Script |
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0% |
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| My own, hand-written, great bash script ;) |
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3% |
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Dr.Dran
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For hardened profile I prefer build from Stage 3 with handbook 
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jedsen
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Location: Sacramento, California, USA
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| loki99 wrote: | | cp_tar wrote: | | loki99 wrote: | Jackass! at the moment.
The easiest and fastest way to get a thoroughly tweaked system, as long as your architecture is supported! |
Never heard of it... should I have? |
Take a look for yourself.  |
I don't see how Jackass! is at all special. If you ever upgraded gcc on a stage 3, you've basically done a Jackass! install. Rockhopper is cool.
This was interesting, though:
http://jackass.homelinux.org/jackass/google.html
Stage 3 handbook here. |
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loki99
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| jedsen wrote: |
I don't see how Jackass! is at all special. If you ever upgraded gcc on a stage 3, you've basically done a Jackass! install. Rockhopper is cool.
This was interesting, though:
http://jackass.homelinux.org/jackass/google.html
Stage 3 handbook here. |
And after updating gcc you'd have to recompile world which does take quite some time, at least on my box.
Jackass! is just the easiest and fastest way to get a fast and stable system running, which is quite neat imho. Rockhopper! wasn't around when I posted this. Seems to be an easy way for testing gcc-4.1.  |
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warrens
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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My listing of Gentoo installs
Desktop. 2004.3 Stage 1, no problems
Server. 2004.3 Stage 3, borked system
Server. 2004.3 Stage 1, no problems
Laptop. 2004.3 Stage 3, borked system
Laptop. 2004.3 Stage 1, no problems
Desktop. 2005.0 Stage 1, no problems
Server. 2005.0 Stage 1, no problems
Desktop. 2005.1 Stage 1, no problems
Server. 2005.1 Stage 1, no problems, except that the intructions were moved to the FAQ.
Desktop. 2005.1 Stage 1/3, no problems
Desktop. 2005.1 Fiordland Stage 1 proof of concept, no problems (Proved the feasabilty of the Fiorland Stage 1 Install method.)
Laptop. 2005.1 Fiordland Stage 1, no problems (First machine to use the Fiordland Stage 1 Install Guide, ver 1.0.)
Desktop 2005.1-r1 Fiordland Stage 1, no problems (Second machine to use the Fiordland Stage 1 Install Guide, ver 1.0.)
Desktop 2005.1-r1 Fiordland Stage 1, no problems (First machine to use Fiordland Stage 1 Install Guide, ver 1.1.)
Fiordland Stage 1 is my favorite, but then again I am biased
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Raniz
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I've only done stage 1 installs, never had any problem with it. But then, my latest install was before I ever heard of jackass and the likes... I might try it out the next time, whenever that'll be.
My desktop install was made with 2004.0 when that was new and my server with 2004.3 I think.
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jedsen
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:54 am Post subject: |
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| loki99 wrote: | | And after updating gcc you'd have to recompile world which does take quite some time, at least on my box. |
You can always use revdep-rebuild instead of "emerge -e world". A nice, little tool. See the Gentoo GCC upgrade guide.
I don't think Jackass! deserves a website, though. Looks like the maintainer is just trying to make some cash. Which is okay, I guess. |
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loki99
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| jedsen wrote: |
You can always use revdep-rebuild instead of "emerge -e world". A nice, little tool. See the Gentoo GCC upgrade guide.
I don't think Jackass! deserves a website, though. Looks like the maintainer is just trying to make some cash. Which is okay, I guess. |
You'd still need to recompile system and world to get to the same result, which would be having all you software compiled with the new compiler and having ntpl enabled. Of course I can get the same system by doing all the compiling manually but what advantage would I have?
None! It would just take me much more time (my last jackass install was on a pentium3@600mhz!). That's all.
You may or may not like Bob P, but I think it is undisputed that he did quite a lot for this community and after all the Jackass! tarballs are free to download. At least, he didn't charge me anything yet. 
So I can't see anything wrong with it. |
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Bob P
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this post may seem like i am wasting my time in casting pearls before swine; you may want to skip it.
| jedsen wrote: | | I don't see how Jackass! is at all special. If you ever upgraded gcc on a stage 3, you've basically done a Jackass! install. |
maybe you're not familiar with the performance enhancements made available by implemtation of the Native Posix Threading Library or by CFLAG optimizations that still aren't supported by Gentoo.
the thing that makes Jackass! special is that it introduced a packaged, GCC 3.4.4 toolkit, complete with NPTL support and killer CFLAG optimizations that I introduced OVER ONE YEAR ago that still remain unheard of in the official "bleeding edge" linux distribution's media. 8 months ago Jackass! represented a quantum leap forward over Gentoo, which continues to ship with GCC 3.3.6, no NPTL, and restricts support to those laughable minimalistic CFLAGS. forgive me if i'm biased, but when i look at other linux distros that distribute with GCC versions that Gentoo still has hard-masked, i find it hard to continue to think of Gentoo as bleeding edge. my projects try to nudge gentoo a little farther forward so it doesn't get left behind by distros that have billionaire backers driving their development.
| jedsen wrote: | | You can always use revdep-rebuild instead of "emerge -e world". A nice, little tool. See the Gentoo GCC upgrade guide. |
well, the Gentoo GCC upgrade guide has some problems of its own, but that's another subject altogether. i would advise people not to make arguments based upon the assumption that that document is complete and accurate.
i'd have to agree with loki99 (and thank him for the kind words) that revdep rebuild isn't going to solve your problems, and that a complete, redundant system rebuild is absolutely necessary to stabilize your system and to implement all of the changes that the user thinks that they are implementing. that process takes an awful long time, and based upon the assumption that everyone's time is valuable, Jackass! does this for you so you don't have to do it yourself. i think that that's why people like it.
| Quote: | | I don't think Jackass! deserves a website, though. Looks like the maintainer is just trying to make some cash. Which is okay, I guess. |
deserves a website?
well, i can't argue whether or not Jackass! deserves a website. my only argument is that i arbitrarily made the decision to create a Jackass! website and to fund it with my own time and money as a Gift to the Gentoo Community. in doing that i had anticipated that some people would appreciate it and that others (like thirsty horses led to water that don't drink) woudn't.
ultimately, the only reason that the project deserves a website, because someone (me) is willing to pay for it. the world is not a meritocracy where websites and bandwidth are freely given to projects that deserve them as a mother would give a reward to a deserving child. maybe some people don't understand that.
alternatively, the project needs a website because its having a website makes life easier for the Gentoo Community. if i weren't able to provide free downloads on a website, the ONLY way for people to get the software would be to send me money to have me send them a CD through snail mail. having a website is the only way that the distribution process can be made FREE for everyone. seeing that over 100,000 users have downloaded Jackass!, i'm actually quite happy that i have the website, that the user can get the software online by serving himself, and that I haven't had to spend the entire past 8 months of my life burning and mailing 100,000 CDs. in the big scheme of things, having the website makes *MY* life easier, which is the only criterion that i find relevant. to me, its worth spending my money to provide it for the Gentoo Community. if you don't think that Jackass! deserves a website, just tell me your IP address and I'll be more than happy to fix things so that there won't ever be a Jackass! website for you.
trying to make some cash?
well, actually the answer is no. Gentoo users are notoriously cheap, because they're accustomed to getting everyting for free. it seems that a fair number of them are children with too much time and bandwidth on their hands. anyone would have to have some serious misconceptions to believe that its possible to make any money by providing free services to the Gentoo Community.
as an example: out of the 100,000+ people who have downloaded Jackass! in the past 8 months, about 30 or so have made contributions, mostly in the form of old/obsolete hardware to help to keep my pentium-class servers running. when you compare that to over 2000 hours of seat time that i've spent working on Stage 1/3, Jackass! and Rockhopper! over the past year, it becomes rather obvious that I'm not in this for the money. I do this as a service to the Gentoo Community. I don't have support links on the site to make money -- I have support links on the site to facilitate the support process for the rare user who appreciates all of the effort, wants to help out, and doesn't have to ask his mother for money.
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jedsen
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Oh, crap, I've been pwnedz0rd.
| Quote: | | maybe you're not familiar with the performance enhancements made available by implemtation of the Native Posix Threading Library... |
I'm not at all. Maybe you could cast some more pearls and fill us in? Oink, oink.
edit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPTL
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Bad Penguin
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| Bob P wrote: | | well, actually the answer is no. Gentoo users are notoriously cheap, because they're accustomed to getting everyting for free. it seems that a fair number of them are children with too much time and bandwidth on their hands. |
Have you considered bittorrent to distribute your tarballs? Put all of them young whipper snappers with the extra time and bandwidth to good use  |
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Bob P
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| jedsen wrote: | | Maybe you could cast some more pearls and fill us in? Oink, oink. |
thanks for the scathing PM. no, i won't tutor you. if you need to be spoon-fed, you should ask mommy, not me.
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amandus
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:13 pm Post subject: How do you guys install Gentoo? |
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stage 1 or 2 or 3 or stage 1/3 or Jackass or the new Rockhopper? I have installed Gentoo many times but after a while everything is ~x86 and the system feels buggy, any help for a stabel nice system with Gentoo whould be fine.
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nixnut
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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Moved from Installing Gentoo to Gentoo Chat.
Not a question about the installation procedure itself, so moved here.
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loki99
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I use the Jackass! tarballs at the moment, since they are coming with gcc-3.4.4 and NPTL enabled, which is basically a stage 3 install. Rockhopper! seems more fited for testing gcc-4.x.
And concerning stability, I just stick to "x86" and only install "~x86" packages if they provide a feature I desperately need. For updating I use...
...on a monthly bases. Every once in a while (about every six months) I do... ...and... | Code: | | revdep-rebuild (-p) |
And I check whether /tmp, /var/tmp or /usr/portage/distfiles need to be cleaned out. That's it! |
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Maedhros
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Merged the previous three posts.
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Omega21
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A standard stage 1.
I now have to figure out how to do it again since its been obsoleted for some dumb reason.
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Bad Penguin
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diilbert
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I have done three Stage 3 Handbook installs...
I was not aware that there were so many other methods. I may give it a whirl with my next Gentoo install.
SO I VOTED Stage 3 since I have not tried anything else |
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SirYes
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| Bob P wrote: | | this post may seem like i am wasting my time in casting pearls before swine; you may want to skip it. |
Hey, your stage 1/3 install guide is great! Although I didn't use your Jackass tarballs, I think it's a great idea as well.
Currently it's stage3 by Handbook for me right now, as I'm trying to install Gentoo on sparc ATM.
Wish me good luck...
BTW. I think I'll try the stage 1/3 guide again, when the Gentoo 2006.0 hits the public and the 1/3 guide becomes updated for amd64. Maybe it will also include gcc-4.* instructions at that time? (hopefully so )
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Bob P
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SirYes
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| Bob P wrote: | | The Stage 1/3 Guide for GCC 4.x has been finished for a long time. |
Sorry to sound like a noob, but searching the forums didn't give me a link for such guide.
I've tried: "Stage 1/3 Guide for GCC 4.x", "Stage 1/3 Guide gcc 4.x", "gcc 4.x (keywords) + Bob P (author)". Only gcc 3.4.4 and 3.4.5 can be found... 
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loki99
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| SirYes wrote: | | Bob P wrote: | | The Stage 1/3 Guide for GCC 4.x has been finished for a long time. |
Sorry to sound like a noob, but searching the forums didn't give me a link for such guide.
I've tried: "Stage 1/3 Guide for GCC 4.x", "Stage 1/3 Guide gcc 4.x", "gcc 4.x (keywords) + Bob P (author)". Only gcc 3.4.4 and 3.4.5 can be found... |
AFAIK, it has not been published (yet?). |
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MrVahn
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| I have only done stage 3 and stage 1/3 installs. I usually follow an unsupported guide, like BobP's. BTW where can I find a handbook for stage 1? It seems that they already removed it in the website. Or maybe I just can't find it? |
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