XFree86 4.3 released!

hakan · Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 7:05 pm Post subject:

Do you really think that the windows cursors are nice? I don't think so. And I love the freedom of all the WM's aroung in the Linux-World. You can choose which to use, you can customize them (it's not easy, but you can do it). To get other desktops then the standard one (Win2k and WinXP too) you need to install tools, or you have to usr the nvidia drivers. Only one thing is missing to make me switch completly to linux: The killer application, or better, there are not enought companies developing for linux

(.

I didn't overwrite my XF86Config and i didn't modify it. After installing xfree 4.3 , I made etc-update and replaces all file with the update ones except XF86config. Then startx, and everything was fine ;-)

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akb · Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 7:15 pm Post subject:

why shouldnt those cursors be good? dont know whats wrong with it. is it reality now that a linux user also hates such things like cursors or something, that are windows compliant? well... why do you use a window manager then? :roll:

i just think the cursors are good, the usability is good. why should i play with such things like cursors, if the usability is not the same?

i changed to linux because i wanted a better system. not because i wanted to fight windows-looking apps or icons and so on.

thats what i call linux fascism.

see... windows and windowsusers just dont get along with linux, but they dont really fight it. why should we do the other way round?

but, i think thats too OT. just wanted to do a statement on this, not to start a discussion.

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I think the whiteglass theme is quite nice, but the RedDot Thene from kde-look.org looks even cooler (even if not all cursors from this theme use transparency)

qnx · Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 8:35 pm Post subject:

->hakan: I didn't say that I like Windows' cursor. I said I think they're boring, as well as the *very* similar (except that the colors are completly changed, like white=black) looking XFree86<4.2.99 default cursors.

->akb: No, I don't hate Windows, nor it's cursors. I just said they're very boring...
And I don't hate Windows just because I use Linux. All systems has they're "for" and "against" points, since I think Linux has more "for" I use it more often (or all the time at home, actually, at school I have no choice (except running Knoppix

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hakan · Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 8:47 pm Post subject:

Yes, every operating system has it's "for" and "against". (I don't hate windows, but I hate microsoft because of their commercial strategies).

I choose to switch to linux because it is highly customizeable (Gentoo is my first dirsto which I really use). Some apps are only available for windows and some hardware drivers, too. So i can't use my nice epson printer yet (I will never buy an epson printer again, they're slow ;-)

).

Ok, enough discussion about that.
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akb · Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 9:01 pm Post subject:

of course these cursors are "boring", but can you show me - no matter if win, linux, macos or anything else - a usable cursorset which is not boring? one which you want to keep for longer than a couple of days? send me a screenie or something :-)

hakan · Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 9:06 pm Post subject:

What's about switching the cursors every day :-)

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We can start a new thread in the "Chat"-Forum: Whats your cursor like?

I am happy with xfree4.3 so far, but whats about the new nvidia driver? If I install them, switching between desktops is slow. Whats better in the new driver? More performance?
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akb · Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 9:10 pm Post subject:

it supports gf4 and gf2go now. thats new. dont know if there's better performance.
btw: is there a big difference in speed between xfree-geforce-server and nvidias proprietary one?

@chat: lets start that... but i think there arent too many people who have different cursors

qnx · Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 9:15 pm Post subject:

Wuddya mean with xfree-nvidia-server??? You mean using "nvidia" driver , instand of "nv" driver in XF86Config and

qnx · Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 9:17 pm Post subject:

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akb · Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 9:36 pm Post subject:

darktux · Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 9:58 pm Post subject:

Xfree provides a Nvidia driver (nv)
Nvidia provides a driver for their cards to be used with XFree (nvidia)
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akb · Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 10:04 pm Post subject:

well... wheres the difference except different driver code?

hakan · Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 10:12 pm Post subject:

I have a GeForce4 and it works with nvidia 3* kernel module.

I will test the nv driver from xfree.
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Snake007uk · Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 10:17 pm Post subject:

im trying toinstall it and it jusr seems to stop at

*Creating FC font cache ??

its been over 10 mins now ??

i had tge same problem with xfree 4.2.99 and i left it over night that time
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qnx · Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 11:21 am Post subject:

akb · Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 12:09 pm Post subject:

maybe they arent allowed to put it into their distribution. but i dont believe this, since a driver is a must-have and i think that nvidia is glad about every single card which is bought by a linux user.

the other thing could be: IMHO there are some twinview options in the in xfree contained driver, which are not included in the other one. but... why? think it would be the best if the xfree team took the faster one and put their own code into it, so you would have both.

darktux · Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 12:21 pm Post subject:

Use the ones provided by Nvidia for the reasons you stated :wink:

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akb · Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 12:36 pm Post subject:

when all facts are known, this should become a topic in the faq section i think :-)

(differences between those 2 nvidia drivers)

tactless · Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 12:50 pm Post subject:

AFAIK, NVidia is reluctant to open the source code to their drivers, which is understandable as they may contain crucial code that may reveal information about how their cards work to business opponents. We shouldn't be complaining about that - at least we're getting a quality driver from the manufacturer. However, the features mentioned here would be nice, and we should talk to NVidia about it.

On a different note, the Xcursor framework is much cooler than the cursors themselves... we need to start getting more cursor sets. I'm sure that artists at Deviantart and such would have no problem letting us port cursors... I'm pretty sure that Xcursor supports animated cursors as well - can anyone verify this?
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akb · Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 12:55 pm Post subject:

yes, read about it. animated cursors are definitely possible.

@nvidia: yes, but i really would like to know if there really are feature differences. although i love to play hardware intensive games, i would prefer an other driver if its slower but had better features.

edit: here's a german article which lists most of the news about 4.3.0: http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2003/5271.html

edit2: from the xfree 4.3.0 release notes

tactless · Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 1:03 pm Post subject:

Just noticed this: The "Working" icon (arrow with hourglass) in the Whiteglass theme is offset - the cursor is drawn too far to the left. How does the implementation for this work? Is a certain coordinate selected as the cursor's "point", as it is in Windows, or is the top left of the image considered to be the point? (In this case, you can't have left-handed or cross cursors)
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akb · Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 1:09 pm Post subject:

i dont know this... but i really would like to know how this is handled. seems that the cursors are really just converted png images, so how to define any spots there?

@your problem: i had this with my main pointer (arrow) yesterday too. couldnt hit the buttons in phoenix correctly. since it's okay today, i think there has to be re-initialized something to work properly after changing resolution (played with xrandr yesterday).