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cynric Guru


Joined: 08 Oct 2004 Posts: 439
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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:24 pm Post subject: Chess for serious players? |
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I've used a few chess programs for linux and they all lacked something (or a lot). Most had buggy interfaces. Others had poor engines. And still others were written more as a side project and not meant for serious play and/or study. Chessmaster comes to mind for the Windows crowd however I prefer something more along the lines of Fritz. Does anyone know of a comparable program for linux? If there isn't, is there an ongoing forum to push developers to look at the linux community? I just had a chess twitch today and, sadly, remembered that nothing exists. I understand that one could use wine, but that is a work around in my opinion. Any comments would be appreciated. _________________ "This Snow Crash thing -- is it a virus, a drug, or a religion?" "What's the difference?"
-- Neal Stephenson - Snow Crash |
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Reikinio Apprentice


Joined: 14 Aug 2005 Posts: 203 Location: Uruguay
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:46 am Post subject: |
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what about gnuchess and crafty ? |
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cynric Guru


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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:29 am Post subject: |
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I don't recall xboard being a pleasure to work with, but ... I was running an older computer with SuSE installed. I just installed gnuchess and using my own board which works just fine for my needs. I've only briefly kept up with chess apps in linux since my SuSE install (which was a source of a lot of frustration). Either way, thanks for the nudge. _________________ "This Snow Crash thing -- is it a virus, a drug, or a religion?" "What's the difference?"
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Reikinio Apprentice


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nbkolchin Apprentice


Joined: 07 Feb 2004 Posts: 290 Location: Russia, Saint-Petersburg
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:58 am Post subject: |
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eboard for playing.
scid for analyzing.
Both support crafty engine. |
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MetalGod Bodhisattva


Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 816 Location: Portugal
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:57 am Post subject: |
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crafty is a powerful engine- _________________ ex: Gentoo Linux Developer: amd64 media-optical sound gnome
ex: Portuguese Moderator
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cynric Guru


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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the responses. I'll have to give crafty a shot over the weekend. _________________ "This Snow Crash thing -- is it a virus, a drug, or a religion?" "What's the difference?"
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fe n00b

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 11 Location: Italy
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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:00 am Post subject: |
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You can run windows-only UCI chess engines (eg. shredder) in scid, using wine and a protocol UCI-to-Xboard adapter called polyglot.
If anybody cares, i can put together an howto |
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cynric Guru


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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:12 am Post subject: |
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That'd be interesting. However, in my case, amd64 and wine don't play well together. But, that's another issue. _________________ "This Snow Crash thing -- is it a virus, a drug, or a religion?" "What's the difference?"
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fe n00b

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 11 Location: Italy
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Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:15 am Post subject: wow |
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I did a little bit of research and i'm happy to announce, that finally a strong linux native gpl'd chess engine is available.
Its name is Fruit 2.1, a UCI engine which arrived second at the recent 13th world computer chess championship
( http://www.ru.is/wccc05/default.asp?Page=Notepad&ID=3 ) scoring 8.5/11, one point ahead of well known Shredder.
It's also already reaching the top of computer chess rating lists, competing with latest Fritz and Shredder.
This is the page where you can download Fruit and Polyglot (the uci2wb adapter which will make it run together with
scid, eboard, etc..)
http://arctrix.com/nas/fruit/
have fun |
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ryoshu n00b

Joined: 03 Sep 2005 Posts: 4 Location: Polska
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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New project, next generation for scid, if you want to help feel free
http://newscid.sourceforge.net/ _________________ gens una sumus |
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khiloa Guru


Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 333 Location: Florence, SC
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 2:12 am Post subject: |
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crafty and glchess look like a sweet combonation, I will have to try them out sometime. |
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indianiec Tux's lil' helper


Joined: 01 Feb 2005 Posts: 97 Location: Krakow
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MJOE n00b

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Vanquirius Retired Dev


Joined: 14 Jun 2002 Posts: 1297 Location: Ethereal plains
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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 2:37 am Post subject: |
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Experimental ebuild for glchess in bug 107056. _________________ Hello. |
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srz n00b

Joined: 01 Oct 2005 Posts: 26 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Paul Yard Tux's lil' helper


Joined: 29 Mar 2005 Posts: 106
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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I have a questions abount chess and I think this is the right place.
I use Crafty for analyzing (with scid) but I noted there is no opening book available in portage. I found some instructions in Internet on how to create the book downloading some files: small.zip, medium.zip or large(1, 2, 3).zip but I could not find them. I seems the links where superseded.
Anybody knows where to get a good book? ... and how to install it?
For playing on freechess I use jin. It's OK and fast enough on my machine.
thanks
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cynric Guru


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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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I still haven't had the opportunity to really explore the apps mentioned here. With regards to opening books, there is gnuchess-book which is an opening book for gnuchess. Whether or not it can plug into craft/scid or if you can just use the file itself and coerce it, I do not know. |
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gour Apprentice


Joined: 16 Apr 2003 Posts: 231 Location: Zagreb, Croatia
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:09 am Post subject: Re: wow |
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fe wrote: | I did a little bit of research and i'm happy to announce, that finally a strong linux native gpl'd chess engine is available.
Its name is Fruit 2.1, a UCI engine which arrived second at the recent 13th world computer chess championship
( http://www.ru.is/wccc05/default.asp?Page=Notepad&ID=3 ) scoring 8.5/11, one point ahead of well known Shredder.
It's also already reaching the top of computer chess rating lists, competing with latest Fritz and Shredder. |
Anyone tried commercial Fruit-2.2.1 on Linux (amd64)
Edit: I came in contact with support stuff and here is the Linux demo, albeit of limited stregnth (it replies almost instantenously), but I'm happy to report that it works nicely under Jose front-end and taking into consideration that it costs only 30â¬, it is not-so-expensive for those wanting to play against the No. #2 on the latest WCCC
Quote: | This is the page where you can download Fruit and Polyglot (the uci2wb adapter which will make it run together with scid, eboard, etc..)
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I just bumped against Jose-chess -- a wonderful front-end supporting Xboard & UCI protocol, MySQL database, 3D view...
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Anyone knows for some ebuild for it
Sincerely,
[/url][/url]Gour |
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j_c_p Guru


Joined: 30 Aug 2003 Posts: 319 Location: France - Colmar
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gour Apprentice


Joined: 16 Apr 2003 Posts: 231 Location: Zagreb, Croatia
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:21 am Post subject: |
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j_c_p wrote: | Whaou : |
Quote: | Very nice to have such great program under linux. |
Indeed
How did you install it? System-wide or under $HOME
I'll contact author if it can be mad a little bit more system-wide-installe-friendly 'cause installing it under e.g. gives me lot of exception errors due to perms - probably database access problem
So, it would be nice to provide an ebuild for it
Sincerely,
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j_c_p Guru


Joined: 30 Aug 2003 Posts: 319 Location: France - Colmar
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:29 am Post subject: |
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Well, i have installed Jose in another directory than home, but it has the same properties (in fact, /mnt/divers/test/chess/jose ).
Last shot : http://img483.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jose199ai.png
To launch it, i do the following : /usr/local/jdk1.5.0_06/jre/bin/java -jar /mnt/divers/test/chess/jose/jose.jar (with a local 32 bits jsdk, because i'm running Gentoo x86_64 with 1.4.2 64 bits java sdk).
I have noticed that 32 bits jsdk is a necessity for 3D board.
No problem for me in order to run Jose (and i try several AI as you can see above).
regards,
jcp. _________________ Lian Li PC60 - AMD FX 8300 - Asrock 990FX EXTREME9 - Gigabyte GTX960 G1 Gaming 4Go
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gour Apprentice


Joined: 16 Apr 2003 Posts: 231 Location: Zagreb, Croatia
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:44 am Post subject: |
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j_c_p wrote: | Well, i have installed Jose in another directory like home (in fact, in /mnt/divers/test/chess/jose ).
Last shot : http://img483.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jose199ai.png
To launch it, i do the following /usr/local/jdk1.5.0_06/jre/bin/java -jar /mnt/divers/test/chess/jose/jose.jar (with a local 32 bits jsdk, because i'm running Gentoo x86_64 with java 1.4.2 sdk 64 bits). |
Hmm, I'm in the same boat running x86_64 but I have Sun's 32bit java-1.5.x
Quote: | No problem for me in oder to running Jose (and i try several AI as you can see above). |
I can also run Jose but under $HOME
Are you enthusiastic to try to put some ebuild together
You can also ask on Jose forums for a 64-bit version
btw, I think I'm going to register Fruit-2.2.1
For 30⬠+ Jose (after implementing engine vs. engine & time-control for both white & black features, I'll donate something to the project too) one gets high-quality engine with a very nice GUI (I like GTK+ theme )
Sincerely,
Gour |
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j_c_p Guru


Joined: 30 Aug 2003 Posts: 319 Location: France - Colmar
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:58 am Post subject: |
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For an ebuild, i don't know, but i can try to do one in a few days in order to test the ebuild process (however, jsdk 32 bits would be necessary indeed).
I've seen Fruit-2.2.1 too, but i'm not a great chess player, at the moment i'm trying different AI, to see which one is not too strong for me .
best,
jcp. _________________ Lian Li PC60 - AMD FX 8300 - Asrock 990FX EXTREME9 - Gigabyte GTX960 G1 Gaming 4Go |
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gour Apprentice


Joined: 16 Apr 2003 Posts: 231 Location: Zagreb, Croatia
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:19 am Post subject: |
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j_c_p wrote: | For an ebuild, i don't know, but i can try to do one in a few days in order to test the ebuild process (however, jsdk 32 bits would be necessary indeed). |
Great
I put several ebuilds together but do not have much experience with Java - actually Jose is the only Java program I use
Quote: | I've seen Fruit-2.2.1 too, but i'm not a great chess player, at the moment i'm trying different AI, to see which one is not too strong for me . |
I'm also in the category of patzer but want to support Linux development.
otoh, I asked Fruit devs to incorporate 'personality' feature (like e.g. in Deep Sjeng) and playing on a weker levels, and, afaics, both things are on to do list.
Besides that, I submitted a feature request to Jose author to implement separate time-controls for both white & black players. That's another trick how to cheat, i.e. giving opponent 5mins against your 2 hours
Sincerely,
Gour |
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