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eshep n00b

Joined: 22 Apr 2005 Posts: 7 Location: Okinawa, Japan
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:04 am Post subject: 2005.1 new cool installer, works? |
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Just wondering if anyone else has had problems with the installer. I tried about five different ways today and it kept crapping out on me. One time I thought it was working but it just stalled at the partitioning stage.
I've installed gentoo by hand quite a few times. I'm still quite the noob so it makes good practice for me. But it would be real nice if this installer worked. If you ask me, it's the best thing thats happened to gentoo since my prism54 card worked durring install on the 2005.0 cd.
I know vidalinux is another option, now that 1.2 is out. But I still like just the raw gentoo better. Oh well, guess it's back to the original install style. |
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dundas Guru


Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 317 Location: China, Earth
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:27 am Post subject: |
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I also wonder anyone succeeded using the experimental installer to install 2005.1.
But it doesn't support ReiserFS, or RAID yet. (They dont like ReiserFS, isn't it a bit better than ext3?) _________________ Appreciate Gentoo: Best Devs, Best Forums. YOU could help too: Help Answer
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ph03n1x l33t


Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Posts: 756
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:29 am Post subject: |
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dundas think of the fact that it is still experimental I bet there will be reiserfs and raid in the final version...
It would be nice if someone could take some screenshots... |
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dundas Guru


Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 317 Location: China, Earth
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:32 am Post subject: |
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alright buddy, it's worth waiting though. _________________ Appreciate Gentoo: Best Devs, Best Forums. YOU could help too: Help Answer |
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Naib Advocate


Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 3891 Location: UK - Birmingham
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:47 am Post subject: |
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| dundas wrote: | I also wonder anyone succeeded using the experimental installer to install 2005.1.
But it's bad that it doesn't support ReiserFS, or RAID yet. (They dont like ReiserFS, isn't it a bit better than ext3?) |
Depends if you like data-corruption _________________
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eshep n00b

Joined: 22 Apr 2005 Posts: 7 Location: Okinawa, Japan
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Depends if you like data-corruption |
I've never had any problem with reiser. Is it that bad? |
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Naib Advocate


Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 3891 Location: UK - Birmingham
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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just because you have never had any problems doesnt mean they dont exist.
I ahve never got a computer virus on my system, does that mean they dont exist
and yes there are problems with ReisterFS with reliablity - have a search. Ext2/3 is the must robust be it (slightly) slower then Reister.
BUT is such a minor speed difference so important for home use of data integraty? _________________
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ph03n1x l33t


Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Posts: 756
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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Well I agree with your argumentation about viri etc.
But I'm using reiser here since around 3 years and I never had the slightest problem. And a lot of other users as well. Your argumentation does also apply to ext2/3 so it's not really saying anything. |
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eshep n00b

Joined: 22 Apr 2005 Posts: 7 Location: Okinawa, Japan
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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This is moving a little off topic here. Let's get back on track.
Has anyone been able to get the installer to work? If so, how? |
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lokoalex Apprentice


Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 165 Location: Jersey
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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Im downloading the ISO as I type. I will post my results of the new installer as soon as I tinker with it a bit. Hope all goes well. Cant wait to see what it looks like. _________________ Registered as user #372186 with the Linux Counter: http://counter.li.org |
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rjpa Tux's lil' helper

Joined: 25 Dec 2003 Posts: 94
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| lokoalex wrote: | | Im downloading the ISO as I type. I will post my results of the new installer as soon as I tinker with it a bit. Hope all goes well. Cant wait to see what it looks like. |
Well, I tried it yesterday a couple of times, but it failed on all times, all random cases Good luck to you, maybe you'de be better of with manual install? |
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Rukie l33t


Joined: 26 Jan 2004 Posts: 692 Location: SE Wi, Home of cheese and cowtippers.......
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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first problem, if you leave the computer and the screensaver comes on, your locked out :p
Second... I don't understand how it wants to find a stage tarball, I select stage 3 but it seems to keep wanting me to enter a URL or something.... "Stage Tarball Directory" or something like that...
Third... you can't adjust your system too much, its picky When my amd 1400 processor is overclocked it says no, when I'm running with 1gig of memory it says no, so I have to run with 512.. if it fails an install while doing partitioning, you gotta delete the partition tables and start over...
as I've said.. picky
but overall, once bugs are fixed/etc... I think this will be GREAT for all the windows converting to linux newbies :p
although, what I don't like, is I can't seem to use any commands through a terminal, no command found/etc...
well, those are my 2 cents, n stuff..
if any1 can explain the stage a little bit better I'd be happy  _________________ Gentoomania! Support the Open Source!
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G F0rce 1 Tux's lil' helper


Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 115 Location: 51.418961, 5.500932
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Screenshots can be found here. _________________ Reinoud.net |
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ph03n1x l33t


Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Posts: 756
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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Ah there they are
Looks nice, cheers |
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eshep n00b

Joined: 22 Apr 2005 Posts: 7 Location: Okinawa, Japan
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | if any1 can explain the stage a little bit better I'd be happy |
Just put in the url to the tarball just as you would do a wget. if you check the dynamic box you don't have to enter anything.
If anyone gets this sucker to actually install, please post your method.
| Quote: | | I think this will be GREAT for all the windows converting to linux newbies |
Installing by hand still seems to be the best method. Plus with the installer, it just don't feel like gentoo. New guys like me get a big feeling of accomplishment after successfully installing gentoo everytime, not just the first. Yeah it's good for newbies, but they really should do it by hand a few times. Gentoo has tought me a lot about linux, because it's a manual install. |
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Rukie l33t


Joined: 26 Jan 2004 Posts: 692 Location: SE Wi, Home of cheese and cowtippers.......
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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True.... hand installs are good...
the thing I don't like about this install the most, is if you go AFK, the screensaver will lock you out lol _________________ Gentoomania! Support the Open Source!
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kimchi_sg Advocate


Joined: 26 Nov 2004 Posts: 2915 Location: Singapore
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Rukie wrote: | | first problem, if you leave the computer and the screensaver comes on, your locked out :p |
Please, please, make this the first thing you do when you get past gdm into the Gnome desktop: Fire up Terminal and type sudo passwd and then sudo passwd gentoo, to change the passwords for both root and user gentoo. The screensaver will ask for user gentoo's password, and as for root's password, it is always a good idea to change it to something you know.
| Rukie wrote: | | Second... I don't understand how it wants to find a stage tarball, I select stage 3 but it seems to keep wanting me to enter a URL or something.... "Stage Tarball Directory" or something like that... |
I am trying the Stage3 with GRP and "Dynamic install" option. Seems to be going well so far, watching the installer package things from the liveCD and then emerge it onto /mnt/gentoo is like watching a magic show. (Yes, you got that right, the installer emerges with ROOT=/mnt/gentoo and not ROOT=/ )
| Rukie wrote: | Third... you can't adjust your system too much, its picky When my amd 1400 processor is overclocked it says no, when I'm running with 1gig of memory it says no, so I have to run with 512.. if it fails an install while doing partitioning, you gotta delete the partition tables and start over... |
Blessed are the non-overclockers.
But I've been having another problem. It seems that the liveCD starts a "firewall" of some sort that blocks any outbound network traffic except for HTTP. I'm unable to use irssi or gaim on it. irssi gives me "Connection refused" and gaim asks for my account info, then shows the connection dialog for just 1 second before dropping me back to the sign in screen. Anyone also having this problem?
(In case people are thinking "iptables", it doesn't seem to be on the liveCD at all, according to rc-update.)
EDIT: Fixed by downloading a CD with the correct MD5. _________________ Murphy's Law of Gentoo installation: If a compile can fail, it will.
MacGillicuddy's Corollary: At the most inopportune time.
Please search and read the FAQs before posting.
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Ulukay Tux's lil' helper


Joined: 08 Oct 2002 Posts: 143
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| Naib wrote: | just because you have never had any problems doesnt mean they dont exist.
I ahve never got a computer virus on my system, does that mean they dont exist
and yes there are problems with ReisterFS with reliablity - have a search. Ext2/3 is the must robust be it (slightly) slower then Reister.
BUT is such a minor speed difference so important for home use of data integraty? |
lol, someone is talking bullshit here X-D _________________ Jeden Tag erhöht sich zwangsläufig die Anzahl derer, die mich
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kimchi_sg Advocate


Joined: 26 Nov 2004 Posts: 2915 Location: Singapore
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| Ulukay wrote: | | lol, someone is talking bullshit here |
Lol, reiserfs fanboy caught naked on camera.
Seriously and back to topic, reiserfs is not supported in GLI for the time being because according to the FAQ:
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Why can't I create a ReiserFS filesystem with the installer?
Because reiserfs == teh suck...and libparted doesn't support it very well. |
_________________ Murphy's Law of Gentoo installation: If a compile can fail, it will.
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Ulukay Tux's lil' helper


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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:10 am Post subject: |
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maybe i'm a reiserfs fanboy (although i'm using ext2 and xfs too)
but ext3 is way to unstable for my homepcs and our production servers. _________________ Jeden Tag erhöht sich zwangsläufig die Anzahl derer, die mich
am Arsch lecken können... Das ist heute DEIN Tag! |
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Tiger Tux's lil' helper


Joined: 25 Apr 2002 Posts: 77
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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Tried three times this weekend and each failed miserably.
Back to the tried and true manual method. _________________ Windows = a 32 bit extension to a 16 bit GUI on an 8 bit OS written for a 4 bit architecture by a 2 bit company who can't stand 1 bit of competition. |
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Kuhndog86 Apprentice


Joined: 20 Jul 2004 Posts: 271 Location: Central WI
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Where do I get this nifty installer to try it out? I have looked at the mirrors under experimantal, but it doesn't seem to be there and the bittorrent tracker is down for maintenence. Anybody got a link to the iso?
Thanks _________________ "Don't you think that if Microsoft actually had some really foolproof patent, they'd just tell us and go, 'nyaah, nyaah, nyaah!'" -Linux Torvalds |
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nixnut Administrator


Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 10951 Location: the dutch mountains
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuhndog86 wrote: | Where do I get this nifty installer to try it out? I have looked at the mirrors under experimantal, but it doesn't seem to be there and the bittorrent tracker is down for maintenence. Anybody got a link to the iso?
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Look at any mirror in the experimental directory _________________ Please add [solved] to the initial post's subject line if you feel your problem is resolved. Help answer the unanswered
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Kuhndog86 Apprentice


Joined: 20 Jul 2004 Posts: 271 Location: Central WI
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the quick response. What is the name of the file. I see an iso called dolphin-i686-2005.0-r2.iso and another called livecd-x86-2005.1.iso. Which one is it? _________________ "Don't you think that if Microsoft actually had some really foolproof patent, they'd just tell us and go, 'nyaah, nyaah, nyaah!'" -Linux Torvalds |
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lokoalex Apprentice


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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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You do not want to mess with the installer trust me. It has many problems. _________________ Registered as user #372186 with the Linux Counter: http://counter.li.org |
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