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Khan
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 Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 3:31 am Post subject: Replacing Metacity with Sawfish in Gnome 2.2 |
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| Ok, I've read a number of posts here prior to this and none have worked so here goes. From a clean emerge of Gnome 2.2, I unmerged Metacity and emerged Sawfish. Prior to that, I had set my WM in the GConf editor to Sawfish. When I log in, it seems like there isn't a WM running. I would like it if anyone can give me a step-by-step of getting Sawfish to work in Gnome 2.2 Or better yet, if someone knows of a utility that replaces the needed values automagically. Thanks. |
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spendabuck
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 4:43 am Post subject: |
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I'm using sawfish and I didn't have to unmerge metacity for it to work. all I did was emerged sawfish and the sawfish themes (not that it matters) then I type in the terminal "gnomecc &" selected "window manager" select "sawfish" and clicke "try" button at the bottom, and that should switch your WM. Then I went into GConf and replaced metacity with sawfish.
hope that helped. |
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pjp
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 5:05 am Post subject: |
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Metacity -> Sawfish howto? doesn't help? Not even where it links to the "official" answer at Gnome?
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Khan
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 5:21 am Post subject: |
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If I do the gnomecc way, and pick Sawfish, it tries to load then croaks and reverts back to Metacity. If I try the killall -9 method, I am left without a WM and I have to start Metacity back up. It's very, very strange. This is a clean build of Gnome. No LiveCD stuff. Any other thoughts?  |
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cevans
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 6:02 am Post subject: gconf-editor. |
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| Try using gconf-editor. The setting is somewhere in /gnome/ |
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pjp
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 6:40 am Post subject: |
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What about | Code: | | killall -9 metacity; sleep 5; sawfish & |
Then, save the session?
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Khan
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 11:34 am Post subject: |
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| kanuslupus wrote: | What about | Code: | | killall -9 metacity; sleep 5; sawfish & |
Then, save the session? |
I tried this also and the results were Gnome without any WM at all. That's when I had to restart Metacity. Are there any specific USE codes I should be compiling with for Sawfish? Maybe I overlooked one. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 11:39 am Post subject: |
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Does Sawfish run happy as a WM without gnome running ...maybe the sawfish install is broken ...?
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Khan
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Swishy wrote: | | Does Sawfish run happy as a WM without gnome running ...maybe the sawfish install is broken ...? |
Hmm....not sure exactly how to do that. Can you give me and example of how to start Sawfish without Gnome? Thanks. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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add the executable to your home .xinitrc file assuming your using gdm youll have to remove xdm from the default runlevel ...
# rc-update del xdm default
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exec sawfish (im assuming ive never used it to be honest)
to the .xinitrc file in your home user dir ....
reboot and once it comes back up just type
#startx ...and sawfish should be running ...
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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just emerged it to confirm ....the above should be a happening thing 
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Khan
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2003 11:57 am Post subject: |
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| Swishy wrote: | just emerged it to confirm ....the above should be a happening thing
Cheers
Dale |
Dale, thank you for all your help but Sawfish still refuses to start up. No dbout, there is something that it's not liking. As it stands, I am about 1 step away from ditching Gnome altogether since they have made the magnanimous decision that I want to only run Metacity in Gnome. Making it this difficult to switch out WM is a total waste and goes against the principles of individual useabillity. Basically, screw them. Thanks again to all for trying to help me.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2003 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry you feel that way, but I've to correct you on some things. If
killall -9 metacity; sleep 5; sawfish &
Doesn't give you sawfish as windowmanager then there is something wrong with your sawfish install. Gnome has nothing do to with it!
If it does give you sawfish as windowmanager then a logout and a check on 'save current session' should bring sawfish back the next time as windowmanager.
The last step is Gnome's doing. But as far as I can see you're failing on the first step. gnomecc by the way has nothing to do with gnome 2.x as it is the gnome 1.x configuration centre, which you're not running. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2003 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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Run gnome-session-properties and remove MetaCity then add Sawfish as style restart.
You could also put export WINDOW_MANAGER=/usr/bin/sawfish in your ~/.bash_profile. |
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Khan
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2003 4:32 am Post subject: |
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| maKKus wrote: | Sorry you feel that way, but I've to correct you on some things. If
killall -9 metacity; sleep 5; sawfish &
Doesn't give you sawfish as windowmanager then there is something wrong with your sawfish install. Gnome has nothing do to with it! |
maKKus,
Perhaps you should try reading my post before replying. I clearly stated that it looks like I am having problems with Sawfish the Window Manager under my current build of Gentoo. My gripe with the Gnome programmers is their choice of BRAIN DEAD window managers that they have forced upon us, the users that have supported them in the past when more than enough people were stating "Gnome sucks compared to KDE". I have been using Gnome since v1.0 and have preferred it over KDE everytime. The gnomecc was an attempt by me to try and correct what I see as a group of developers ego's running amok and dictating to me, as an end user, what I should be running for a WM. If I wanted to take that kind of asshole thinking from a programmer, I would still be running windoze. I'll try this again once Gentoo 1.4 final is released. Right now, KDE 3.1 is owning anything that the Gnome n00bs could ever hope to become. Nuff said. |
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Khan
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2003 4:35 am Post subject: |
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| TenPin wrote: | Run gnome-session-properties and remove MetaCity then add Sawfish as style restart.
You could also put export WINDOW_MANAGER=/usr/bin/sawfish in your ~/.bash_profile. |
TenPin,
Thank you very much for the suggestion but it's looking like it's definetly something with my install of Sawfish. Perhaps I'll try again another time when I have the opportunity of compiling Gnome from scratch again. Thanks for all your help. |
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pjp
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2003 4:44 am Post subject: |
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If you're still interested, you can try and capture some errors. With sawfish still setup to run in your .xinitrc (as mentioned earlier), run startx by doing: | Code: | | startx 2>&1 > ~/startxerr.log |
Anything interesting there?
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2003 7:23 am Post subject: |
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All I did to change was to:
emerge -C metacity
emerge /usr/portage/x11-wm/sawfish/sawfish-1.2.ebuild
Then add the line to my .bash_profile as I said.
I'm not sure it worked 1st time but I think I just ran sawfish manually the 1st time then added it to the session as I said. This is with Gnome 2.0.3. Sorry I should have said all this last time. If that doesnt work then something odd is going on :) |
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maKKus
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2003 7:42 am Post subject: |
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| I did read your posts correct. You reply shows that clearly. Success with your DE of choise |
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mallchin
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| Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2003 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| maKKus wrote: |
If 'killall -9 metacity; sleep 5; sawfish &' doesn't give you sawfish as windowmanager then there is something wrong with your sawfish install. Gnome has nothing do to with it! |
Hmmm, on my box sleep 5 gave metacity enough time to respawn (usually after a few seconds) so this might not work.
I usually do this:
| Code: | | killall metacity; sawfish & |
Works for me. Note - Gnome 2.0 used to remember the last WM in use, Gnome 2.2 doesn't. Logging out & in will spwan metacity again 
I tried
| Code: | | export WINDOW_MANAGER="/usr/bin/sawfish" |
too but it still loads metacity?
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| Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2003 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| maKKus wrote: | | gnomecc by the way has nothing to do with gnome 2.x as it is the gnome 1.x configuration centre, which you're not running. |
gnomecc still has some functionality under Gnome 2.2, particulary for pilot conduits etc.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2003 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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I just noticed that if you want to keep setting up themes with Gnome 2.2, you've got keep metacity. I'm sure somewhere there's a setting for this, I just haven't found it!  |
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