Depression...

[curtis119]

[Bohemian]

You should really see a doctor. To keep my depression at a tolerable level, I do what I enjoy most: reading, writing and composing music.

Best,
Chris
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[bushwacka]

[acasto]

[bushwacka]

Informed about the universal lack of real information on the topic (SSRI's/MAOI's), with regards to the long term neurological effects? Yes, that is a fact. No one knows yet. Glad you realized that on your own.

[acasto]

[bushwacka]

Faulty analogy and well, you're not an authority on any of this, hence useless really. Lighten up though, you're kinda funny ...:twisted:

[acasto]

[bushwacka]

My position is that it's all conjecture and that I was talking SHIT.

Exact same thing that's frothing from your mouth.

Only difference is - I draw the picture and KNOW that it's as good a guess as any - more colorful, but just as absurd as your accounts.

You're not an authority. You don't know what you're talking about. You don't have the credentials, and finally ...

You're not going to prove shit.

[acasto]

[bushwacka]

There is no conclusive data as to the long-term effects SSRI's/MAOI's.

In 15 years, when you're the subject in a clinical study by real researchers, then you'll be relevant, as a specimen, not an authority. I don't really care that you took the risk by being a guineau pig, I only object to your claim to knowing what is decidedly unkown at the moment.

In the mean time keep posting random links, of other peoples work, that can't tell you what is not exactly known yet. If you feel mentally validated by that activity, then do it. Whatever you need to do to feel good. And isn't that the real moral of this topic after all?

With that, I'm done, but I'll thank you for all your baseless insults, good stuff - as the jam said, "that's entertainment", and gog knows lauging is a good thing :twisted:

See you next time:wink:

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[Kai Hvatum]

[abaelinor]

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[acasto]

[curtis119]

[lisa]

[bos_mindwarp]

Ok I had medical depression few years back, and pills made me feel weird, so:

- Sunlight! Can't point out this one enough. us folks in northern hemisphere get depressed a lot, guess what, wintertime I don't see daylight except on the weekends. It's wake up at 7:00, run to to subway, exit subway, enter office, stare at screen for hours, exit office, enter subway, get home at 18:00. Sun is gone. Lack of direct sunlight is major reason for depression.

- Excercise! This one is tricky. You DONT want to set ambitious goals which you wont meet, thus plunging into even deeper depression. Funny thing about depression is that it has its ways of sabotaging even the most harmless projects you start. So don't set ANY goals. Just find activity you enjoy and fiddle with it. Jog a little in park or so.

- Sleep! You'll probably hear how important sleep is and you'll want to fall asleep in proper time, and get worried when you cannot do that. Well duh. Depression interfers with your sleep cycle as well. Sleep when you can, not on schedule. And by the way, I could never fall asleep at 10PM, depressed or not. Not since I was 4 years old, anyway.

- Good Food! It's very important to eat good food, like lots of fruits and stuff. I love cottage cheese, grapes, uncooked food in general. Find out what you like to eat and what you can afford. Except if you find out that you like potato chips.

- No drugs, no alcohol! Not sure if this is male/female thing, but when I was depressed, my male buddies wanted to "party me up" or "toughen me up". While I appretiate their concern, they were as qualified to cure my depression as I was qualified to be a cheerleader. This is a big nono, alcohol and drugs can seriously fuck you up when you're depressed, because in your drunken+depressed mind, jumping off a balcony might suddenly seem like very efficient solution. So this is a big nono. I'm not saying you cant take a heineken or two and be social, but I do mean one or two. Not 3, not 5, and certainly no pills or joints or powders.
By the way, if you learn to party and not to drink more then 2 beers, its a cool thing, no matter if you're depressed or not.

- Friends and stuff. What I found out was that a lot of people I hang out with had very destructive effect on me. I kept seeing those people for number of reasons, friendship, courtesy, macho pride, guilt, cowardness, etc. One good thing about being depressed is that you have perfect excuse to get rid of them. Try to know some other people as well, might be that your social environment is not so stable after all, and you could use it. I mean not like your friends have to be like mine used to be, a cross between Lemmy Killmister, Iggy Pop, Charles Manson and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

- dont get depressed cos you're depressed Ok this one maybe sounds silly, but this was the major factor for me. You'd go to some doctor and go "doctor doctor make it go away" and he/she would go "depression is a modern desease, bla bla, treatment can take months or years, bla bla" and then you'd go "but why me? why now? Im <insert age here> this is my prime time, Im supposed to be copulating like David Lee Roth, not be depressed" and the whole idea of you being sick is in itself depressing.
So I had to find out something that was positive about being depressed, cos just the notion that "it happens to other people as well" wasnt good enough for me.

Well my short and maybe not so convincing list of positives about depression is:
- its a reaction on something, which means that you can change something that needs to be changed.
- its socialy accepted "excuse" to redo a lot of things in your life, like quit seeing some dumb people, redecorate, change habbits, stop drinking/smoking/dope, stop being a skinhead (or whatever), get weird hobbies, and so on. It is liberating in the sense that it gives you immunity towards more conservative social groups to do what you WANT to do, instead of what you SHOULD do. If that is your case, profit from it.
- A lot of cool shit was written/painted/recorded by depressed people. Depression kinda opens up new areas of your emotions and thoughts (wow I didn't know I was so morbid), which could be explored, but you need another person to be your sparring partner in this one. If you don't have one, start a diary or a blog. Years on from now, you might even get a giggle of your "darkest, truest thoughts" from when you were depressed. I know I did.

[acasto]

[petrjanda]

[petrjanda]

Guitar helped me a lot in the past.
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[lisa]