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aNtHrAx323 n00b
Joined: 03 Dec 2002 Posts: 48 Location: San Antonio, TX
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 4:23 pm Post subject: Favorite IDE? |
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I'm about to begin a *huge* PHP web development project (the scale of which is beyond what I'm comfortable doing with simple text editors as I have in the past), so I'm looking for a good IDE to help me organize my code. The first recommendation I received was Bluefish, but it doesn't seem quite robust enough (I will definitely give it a shot, so more votes in its favor wouldn't hurt). The other recommendation was Eclipse, and it actually seems perfect... Except for the fact that it has a Java backend (I'd like to avoid Java if at all humanly possible... I hate the added overhead). What IDEs do you guys use, and before I shy away from Eclipse, would you say it's as bulky as I'm imagining it to be? I'm a speed freak and whole-heartedly opposed to bloated software, so the best compromise between efficiency and robustness (if that's even a word) would be ideal. Thanks in advance guys. _________________ -Campbell "aNtHrAx323" Krueger
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dgaffuri Advocate
Joined: 05 Jun 2005 Posts: 2078 Location: Italy
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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Eclipse is well supported, has a very large usage and plug-in developers base. Yes, it's Java, but performance seems very reasonable to me. Of course it depends on your hardware (CPU and memory at most). |
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aNtHrAx323 n00b
Joined: 03 Dec 2002 Posts: 48 Location: San Antonio, TX
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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Well, here are my system specs... Tell me what you think I should expect.
- Pentium 4 3.0GHz HT (800 MHz bus)
- Intel D875PBZ mobo (i875P based)
- 1024 MB PC3200 DDR RAM (2x 512, dual channel)
- 2x Western Digital Raptor 74 GB drives (non-RAID, 2nd drive mounted at /home and /opt)
- BFG GeForce 6800 Ultra OC AGP
- 23" Apple HD Cinema Display (1920x1200 res)
Think I'd notice a considerable slowdown due to its Java base? I've never screwed around with Java on Linux, so in terms of the runtime environment, how much more streamlined/efficient is it that Windows-based VMs and JREs? _________________ -Campbell "aNtHrAx323" Krueger
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pinr Apprentice
Joined: 26 Jan 2003 Posts: 241 Location: Monterrey, Mexico
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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Take a look at Quanta |
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dgaffuri Advocate
Joined: 05 Jun 2005 Posts: 2078 Location: Italy
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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aNtHrAx323 wrote: | Well, here are my system specs... Tell me what you think I should expect.
- Pentium 4 3.0GHz HT (800 MHz bus)
- Intel D875PBZ mobo (i875P based)
- 1024 MB PC3200 DDR RAM (2x 512, dual channel)
- 2x Western Digital Raptor 74 GB drives (non-RAID, 2nd drive mounted at /home and /opt)
- BFG GeForce 6800 Ultra OC AGP
- 23" Apple HD Cinema Display (1920x1200 res)
Think I'd notice a considerable slowdown due to its Java base? I've never screwed around with Java on Linux, so in terms of the runtime environment, how much more streamlined/efficient is it that Windows-based VMs and JREs? |
I think you'll have no problem at all. If you're interested you may take a look at some benchmark
http://www.shudo.net/jit/perf/
There are many more. |
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ph03n1x l33t
Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Posts: 756
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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We had to do a dvd-webshop in php for school. I was also checking out different editors.
In the end i sticked to bluefish. Imho it's pretty good. I dunno what you mean by robust but I didn't have one crash if you mean that. |
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aNtHrAx323 n00b
Joined: 03 Dec 2002 Posts: 48 Location: San Antonio, TX
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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pinr wrote: | Take a look at Quanta |
It's pretty cool looking, but I loathe KDE... So I'm probably going to pass on it. Thanks for the tip though.
And ph03n1x - by robust I mean capable of code organization, function trees, and possibly even a local processing/previewing function... In all honesty, Eclipse is looking like my best option. Maybe I just have really bad memories from the last Java-based IDE I used (but it was Forte4Java on a P3 1.0 GHz with 128 megs of RAM on Win2k...). _________________ -Campbell "aNtHrAx323" Krueger
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dgaffuri Advocate
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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aNtHrAx323 wrote: | Maybe I just have really bad memories from the last Java-based IDE I used (but it was Forte4Java on a P3 1.0 GHz with 128 megs of RAM on Win2k...). |
I may understand your doubts, then. You've been lucky just to make it start... |
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ph03n1x l33t
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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Ok i c
bluefish has no tree views in that case prolly not what u want.
For previewing use apache |
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aNtHrAx323 n00b
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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dgaffuri wrote: | aNtHrAx323 wrote: | Maybe I just have really bad memories from the last Java-based IDE I used (but it was Forte4Java on a P3 1.0 GHz with 128 megs of RAM on Win2k...). |
I may understand your doubts, then. You've been lucky just to make it start... |
No kidding. That crap made baby Jesus cry. It got to the point where trying to do programming assignments (IN JAVA, nonetheless) was so aggravating that I worked out a deal with my teacher to let me build the school a bunch of DV stations. After a week of spending the school's money and screwing around with Premiere, I had a 1.5-semester-long vacation. I do *not* get along well with Java. C, C++, Perl, PHP, all gravy. Just keep Java the hell away from me.
ph03n1x - Yeah, that's one thing I noticed from screenshots... Bluefish seems like it's a great editor for single-file apps, however, what I'm preparing to do is going to be a beast of a web app... So I'm not sure I want to lump it all into one big-ass file . And yeah, yeah... I will be doing previewing with Apache as well, but I'd like to have immediate execution available for testing relatively simple scripts. _________________ -Campbell "aNtHrAx323" Krueger
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Earthwings Bodhisattva
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