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Is 2005.1 really the same install as the 2005.0?
What I mean Bob P is do you need to do anything different between the 2005.0 and 2005.1 install? |
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hi,
the way i understood the reason for this install-method was mainly some missing packages in stage1&co. Are those still missing in 2005.1 ?
As for your question zecora: As far as i know, only some conf-files in /etc were splitted / relocated with the new baselayout.
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| Yeah, this question interests me too. Is it possible to follow this guide on 2005.1 ? |
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| Strowi wrote: | | the way i understood the reason for this install-method was mainly some missing packages in stage1&co. Are those still missing in 2005.1 ? |
Correction: In 2004.3 and earlier stage1 tarballs, info on some packages were missing from /var/db/pkg (portage's installed package database) and thus they were deemed not installed, when actually they were. This was rectified in 2005.0.
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hi,
thx for clarifying that. Must have missed it somhow..
I've used this method several times, and always thought it was only because of the missing packages, but now i am a little confused. Why should i continue doing it this way?
Is it only to get the latestgreatest gcc&co ?
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If you follow this guide, you just download a few dozen mbytes more than when you use a plain stage1 (more precisely, the difference in size between stage1 and stage3). Like kimchi_sg sais, 2005.0 was already in good shape with respect to stage1 files, only 2004.3 was wrong.
Even better, if you follow this guide using stage3-athlon-xp-2005.1.tar.bz2 then you'll have permission issues (wrong permissions for the root (/)) which you won't have with stage1  |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| eremini wrote: | | Yeah, this question interests me too. Is it possible to follow this guide on 2005.1 ? |
| Sven Vermuelen wrote: | | Even better, if you follow this guide using stage3-athlon-xp-2005.1.tar.bz2 then you'll have permission issues (wrong permissions for the root (/)) which you won't have with stage1 |
In short: You will break your system if you follow this guide with a 2005.1 Stage 3.
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zecora
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Thx,
I will stick with 2005.0 until a guide comes out or i just do a stage1. |
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| kimchi_sg wrote: | | eremini wrote: | | Yeah, this question interests me too. Is it possible to follow this guide on 2005.1 ? |
| Sven Vermuelen wrote: | | Even better, if you follow this guide using stage3-athlon-xp-2005.1.tar.bz2 then you'll have permission issues (wrong permissions for the root (/)) which you won't have with stage1 |
In short: You will break your system if you follow this guide with a 2005.1 Stage 3. |
hey kimchi, enlighten us and tell us what will break.  i have to admit, i haven't been playing with 2005.1 in the pre-release, and i'd really like to know what you're talking about!
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| Bob P wrote: | | kimchi_sg wrote: | | In short: You will break your system if you follow this guide with a 2005.1 Stage 3. |
hey kimchi, enlighten us and tell us what will break. i have to admit, i haven't been playing with 2005.1 in the pre-release, and i'd really like to know what you're talking about! |
| Quote: | | if you follow this guide using stage3-athlon-xp-2005.1.tar.bz2 then you'll have permission issues (wrong permissions for the root (/)) |
How about untarring the athlon-xp stage3, and finding out that you cannot do even an ls once you have chrooted.
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stage3->1 with 2005.1
proc centrino1400 [1 Mb cache] , 512 Mb ram
I Used a pentium3 stage3
Everything works flawlessy except for a couple of feature. With this two | Code: | | userpriv usersandbox |
nothing compile, without everything goes on.
what can I say?
| Code: | cflags: -march=pentium-m -Os -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -ffast-math -fforce-addr -ftracer
cxx: $cflags -fvisibility-inlines-hidden
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20 minutes for gcc 3.4.4.
50 minute for glibc 2.3.5 r1
45 minute for xorg
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| kimchi_sg wrote: | | Bob P wrote: | | kimchi_sg wrote: | | In short: You will break your system if you follow this guide with a 2005.1 Stage 3. |
hey kimchi, enlighten us and tell us what will break. i have to admit, i haven't been playing with 2005.1 in the pre-release, and i'd really like to know what you're talking about! |
| Quote: | | if you follow this guide using stage3-athlon-xp-2005.1.tar.bz2 then you'll have permission issues (wrong permissions for the root (/)) |
How about untarring the athlon-xp stage3, and finding out that you cannot do even an ls once you have chrooted. |
am i correct in understanding you to say that the athlon-xp stage 3 tarball for 2005.1 is b0rked?
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My p3 laptop comes next week. I'll test it
so FEATURES="ccache distlocks usersandbox" ? |
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| zecora wrote: | Is 2005.1 really the same install as the 2005.0?
What I mean Bob P is do you need to do anything different between the 2005.0 and 2005.1 install? |
will this Guide work with 2005.1? well, no -- because 2005.1 is b0rken.
this install has been extensively tested and debugged with 2005.0. hence, this thread's title says that its the Support Thread for Gentoo 2005.0 and GCC 3.4.4. Nowhere in the Guide or the Support Thread does it say that it is compatible with Gentoo 2005.1. So I guess I don't understand why anyone would assume that this Guide would work properly with Gentoo 2005.1.
Anyone with enough Gentoo experience knows that all sorts of subtle changes ALWAYS take place when a new version of Gentoo comes out, and old installation procedures are NEVER 100% compatible with new versions of Gentoo. That's why the devs rewrite the install guides.
Similarly, anyone with enough Gentoo experience knows that a new release of Gentoo is ALWAYS accompanied by a significant debugging phase because there's insufficient QA testing prior to any Gentoo release. I hate to say it, but its true: QA is really pretty shoddy, and whenever a new Gentoo release comes along, alot of misteaks invariably slip out of the door before any actual testing has been performed. (If anyone had actually tried installing from the effected Stage 3 tarballs, the permission problems would have been evident and the tarballs would have never been released).
I won't update the Stage 1/3 Guide for 2005.1 until 2005.1 has been out long enough for all of the major kinks to be worked out.
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| kimchi_sg wrote: |
In short: You will break your system if you follow this guide with a 2005.1 Stage 3. |
 According to Bugzilla, this is a problem attributable to defective design of the 2005.1 tarballs for P3, P4 and Athlon-XP. Its NOT a problem with the Stage 1/3 Guide, and since this Guide is for 2005.0, its a total waste of time to talk about problems that are specific to bugs in the release of Gentoo 2005.1. 
This Guide WILL work properly with the recommended 2005.0 tarballs that are free of such errors; It WILL NOT not work with some of the 2005.1 tarballs because some of the 2005.1 tarballs are defective.
I would appreciate it if everyone would stop talking about problems with Gentoo 2005.1 tarballs in the Stage 1/3 Support Thread for 2005.0 and GCC 3.4.4. That information is totally irrelvant to this support thread and it is creating a totally inappropriate discussion about problems that don't exist for anyone that is following the Stage 1/3 Guide.
In the interest of keeping this 2005.0 Support Thread on-track, please work on debugging the defective 2005.1 tarballs in another thread. 
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Bob P wrote: | | am i correct in understanding you to say that the athlon-xp stage 3 tarball for 2005.1 is b0rked? |
It looks like that.
Bob p but with the 2005.0 cd, using "userpriv usersandbox" everything was ok? Which improvements should give this 2 features?
I repeat, my experience, except the 2 features above, using a pentium3 stage3 is completely positive
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to get sandboxing to work, you have to emerge the sandbox ebuild. sandbox was masked in portage for quite some time, and has recently been unmasked.
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Hello
I know that my way to use this method is not suported, but anyway i wont you to know i made it about 5 times.
My first install was 1/3 on 2004.3 with gcc 3.4.3. i printed it out and typed all by hand. it took a long time becorse i am wordblind, and i dident know wenn i goht a error if it was a typo or watt. After that i firts used mepis and all install went ok.
To day i start a 1/3 2005.0 gcc 3.4.4 useing a knoppix livecd. i have just finish the 2 emerge system, the only thing i left out is usersandbox and userpriv in foture in my make.conf. knoppix will not handel them wery well.
i posted this becorse i think thar are more p like me ho have problem with spelling.
I hope you down mind Bob P
and thanks for using your method
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I am doing a Stage 1/3 Installation for Gentoo 2005.0 and GCC 3.4.3 on an amd athlon with stage3-athlon-xp-2005.1.tar.bz2 tarball. I cannot compile perl-5.8.6-r5 message I get is
| Code: | Extracting find2perl (with variable substitutions)
make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/perl-5.8.6-r5/work/perl-5.8.6/x2p'
Making B (dynamic)
opendir(./../../../../../../../..): Permission denied at ../../lib/File/Find.pm line 597
Use of chdir('') or chdir(undef) as chdir() is deprecated at ../../lib/File/Find.pm line 741.
opendir(/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.6/../../../../..): Permission denied at ../../lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker.pm line 165
opendir(/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/../../../..): Permission denied at ../../lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker.pm line 165
opendir(/usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.6/../../../../..): Permission denied at ../../lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker.pm line 165
opendir(/usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/../../../..): Permission denied at ../../lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker.pm line 165
opendir(/usr/lib/perl5/5.8.6/../../../..): Permission denied at ../../lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker.pm line 165
opendir(./../../../..): Permission denied at ../../lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker.pm line 165
Couldn't change to directory /var/tmp/portage/homedir/C: No such file or directory at Makefile.PL line 18
Writing Makefile for B
Warning: No Makefile!
make[1]: Entering directory `/var/tmp/portage/perl-5.8.6-r5/work/perl-5.8.6/ext/B'
make[1]: *** No rule to make target `config'. Stop.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/perl-5.8.6-r5/work/perl-5.8.6/ext/B'
make config failed, continuing anyway...
make[1]: Entering directory `/var/tmp/portage/perl-5.8.6-r5/work/perl-5.8.6/ext/B'
make[1]: *** No rule to make target `all'. Stop.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/perl-5.8.6-r5/work/perl-5.8.6/ext/B'
make: *** [lib/auto/B/B.so] Error 2
!!! ERROR: dev-lang/perl-5.8.6-r5 failed.
!!! Function src_compile, Line 254, Exitcode 2
!!! Unable to make
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Here is my emerge info | Code: | emerge --info
Portage 2.0.51.22-r2 (default-linux/x86/2005.1, gcc-3.4.3-20050110, glibc-2.3.5-r1, 2.6.10-5-386 i686)
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System uname: 2.6.10-5-386 i686
Gentoo Base System version 1.6.12
dev-lang/python: 2.3.5
sys-apps/sandbox: 1.2.11
sys-devel/autoconf: 2.13, 2.59-r6
sys-devel/automake: 1.4_p6, 1.5, 1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.5
sys-devel/binutils: 2.15.92.0.2-r10
sys-devel/libtool: 1.5.18-r1
virtual/os-headers: 2.6.11-r2
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="x86"
AUTOCLEAN="yes"
CBUILD="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CFLAGS="-O2 -march=athlon-xp -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -mfpmath=sse -msse -mmmx -m3dnow"
CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /usr/kde/2/share/config /usr/kde/3/share/config /usr/lib/X11/xkb /usr/share/config /var/qmail/control"
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/gconf /etc/terminfo /etc/env.d"
CXXFLAGS="-O2 -march=athlon-xp -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -mfpmath=sse -msse -mmmx -m3dnow"
DISTDIR="/usr/portage/distfiles"
FEATURES="autoconfig ccache distlocks sandbox sfperms strict userpriv usersandbox"
GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://gentoo.seren.com/gentoo/ http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/ http://194.117.143.72 ftp://mir.zyrianes.net/gentoo/"
LANG="en_GB.UTF-8"
LINGUAS="en_GB"
MAKEOPTS="-j2"
PKGDIR="/usr/portage/packages~x86"
PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
PORTDIR_OVERLAY="/usr/local/portage"
SYNC="rsync://rsync.europe.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage"
USE="x86 3dnow X aalib acl acpi alsa apm arts avi berkdb bidi bitmap-fonts cdr cjk crypt cups directfb divx4linux doc dv dvd dvdr dvdread eds emboss encode examples faad fam fbdev ffmpeg flash foomaticdb fortran ftp gcj gd gdbm gif glut gnome gphoto2 gpm gstreamer gtk gtk2 hal howl ieee1394 imap imlib ipv6 java javascript jpeg junit kde kerberos koffice-plugin ldap libg++ libwww live mad matroska mikmod ming mmx mmx2 motif mozdevelop mozilla mozsvg mozxmlterm mp3 mpeg mpi msn mysql nas ncurses network nfs nls nptl nvidia ogg oggvorbis opengl oss pam pdflib perl pic png ppds python qt quicktime readline real rtc scanner sdl slp spell sse ssl tcpd tiff truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts usb v4l vcd videos vorbis win32codecs wmf wxwinsows xine xml xml2 xmms xv xvid yahoo zlib zvbi linguas_en_GB userland_GNU kernel_linux elibc_glibc"
Unset: ASFLAGS, CTARGET, LC_ALL, LDFLAGS |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: dev-lang/perl-5.8.6-r5 failed |
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Scroll up a few messages. See the one in big blue bold font by Bob P?
That answers your problem. Gentoo 2005.1 tarballs are not supported. Don't even try to install with a 2005.1 tarball; it's bound to fail. Please take your problems with 2005.1 to another thread.
You should know that the 2005.1 Athlon-XP and Pentium 3 tarballs have serious problems right now. The devs haven't fixed everything yet.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:43 pm Post subject: Re: dev-lang/perl-5.8.6-r5 failed |
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| rojanu wrote: | | I am doing a Stage 1/3 Installation for Gentoo 2005.0 and GCC 3.4.3 on an amd athlon with stage3-athlon-xp-2005.1.tar.bz2 tarball. I cannot compile perl-5.8.6-r5 message I get is ... |
I'll reiterate a few of the salient points, just in case you missed the ones previously highlighted in BOLDFACED blue text:
This is the Stage 1/3 Support thread for GCC 3.4.4, not the Support thread for GCC 3.4.3. The GCC 3.4.3 support thread has been closed because all of the development issues relating to performing Stage 1/3 Installs on GCC 3.4.3 have been solved and there's no longer any need to debug the Stage 1/3 Installation Method for GCC 3.4.3.
This is the Stage 1/3 Support thread for Gentoo 2005.0, not a support thread for Gentoo 2005.1. As @nightmorph pointed out, many of the Gentoo 2005.1 tarballs contain some showstopper-class errors.
This scope of thread is limited to performing the Stage 1/3 install on Gentoo 2005.0 using GCC 3.4.4. If you're not meeting both of these conditions, then your problems are beyond the scope of this support thread and your problems really need to be addressed in another thread.
RTM. The Gentoo 2005.1 docs clearly state that there are permissions issues with the 2005.1 Athlon-XP tarball that are attributable to faulty tarball construction. It looks like you've found them.
So I'm sorry to have to tell you that we can not offer support for you in this thread. Not only are your problems unrelated to the Stage 1/3 Install Method and not germane to the versions covered in this support thread -- they're appear to be attributable to a defect in the Gentoo 2005.1 tarballs, and this is a problem for which we don't have a solution. 
My recommendation would be to turn to Bugzilla.
edit: correction of typo
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Solution Added to the Quick Reference
Security Violation: A file exists that is not in the manifest: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-325007.html
Portage's intolerance of ebuilds that fail to conform to strict checking of the manifest appears to be a problem that is getting worse instead of better -- because of ongoing problems with poor QA by ebuild maintainers. If you encounter ebuilds that are plagued by shoddy QA, please file a bug report about them on Bugzilla.
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| Just for information: I tried following this installation using the 2005.1 stage3 build (knowing it wouldn't be supported), but having fixed the root directory permission, I've had absolutely no problem getting things up and running and everything, as far as I can tell, works fine. |
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| barry wrote: | | Just for information: I tried following this installation using the 2005.1 stage3 build (knowing it wouldn't be supported), but having fixed the root directory permission, I've had absolutely no problem getting things up and running and everything, as far as I can tell, works fine. |
I can echo the same results with a Pentium4, after having fixed the root directory permission issue, but lets honor Bob's request and keep this thread on topic: GCC 3.4.4 with 2005.0
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