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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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main goal is to resign from reiserfs/reiser4 for another fs

Quit lumping the two together! reiserfs is great. reiser4 is very different and still needs a lot of work.
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gherald wrote:
fallow wrote:
main goal is to resign from reiserfs/reiser4 for another fs

Quit lumping the two together! reiserfs is great. reiser4 is very different and still needs a lot of work.

yes is great in pure fs speed with tons of small files .
ISNT great for interactivity and latencies.

high cpu usage and bad/longer latencies are the same attribute of both.
main love goal is to decrese latencies and increse interactivity from this aspect both are not so good.
of course reiser4 worst than reiserfs.

dont like the idea ? :)

there are many other patchsets supporting reiser4 and liking reiserfs :)
cheers.
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gherald wrote:
fallow wrote:
main goal is to resign from reiserfs/reiser4 for another fs

Quit lumping the two together! reiserfs is great. reiser4 is very different and still needs a lot of work.


For the interactivity problem pov, they are exactly the same - not the mention the fact that a number of disturbing stalls have been reported on lkml for ReiserFS.. Sorry but I can't in good conscience recommend anyone either one.
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fallow:

Here it is:
http://www.drwoland.com/love.jpg

Hope you like it :P
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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about this swap_scheduling . I tested it but I found some interactivity problems . I even see this by "clear eye" , similar results for U ?


didnt tried this patch here (yet), but will let you know asap. In what scenario do you have problems ?

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about multiprocessor fixes , hm . I'll take a look maybe as additional patch first :) ?


would be great ;) :D

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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alot of swap usage with this kernel, right now I'm using as much swap as i am ram 350/350. Is this normal? If not, how can I fix this?
Thanks.
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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chrisyu wrote:
Could LIRC patch be added in new love-sources?
That would be nice!:)
Thanks.

and You have some working version ? this is first request for it :p :)
I had it in vivid-sources and some my previous love ,but this is not good to maintaining .
really is only kernel-space solution for it , any user-space solution ?
ad additional patch also maybe :) If You have some tested one :)

cheers.


I am using 2.6.12-rc2-love1 now, and lirc works for me.
Couldn't find patch for rc3 though.:(
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

test this one: http://gimpel.ath.cx/~tom/lirc-0.7.1pre4_for_2612rc3love1.diff
i test-compiled everything as module, no probs. and a guy from german channel is happy with it too :)


still i completely agree that things like that should be kept in userspace, same as automounting etc etc
has nothing to do in kernel somehow as it is a pure user tool
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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test this one: http://gimpel.ath.cx/~tom/lirc-0.7.1pre4_for_2612rc3love1.diff
i test-compiled everything as module, no probs. and a guy from german channel is happy with it too :)


still i completely agree that things like that should be kept in userspace, same as automounting etc etc
has nothing to do in kernel somehow as it is a pure user tool


Yes, this works!
Thank you, gimpel.:D
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2005 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chrisyu wrote:
gimpel wrote:
test this one: http://gimpel.ath.cx/~tom/lirc-0.7.1pre4_for_2612rc3love1.diff
i test-compiled everything as module, no probs. and a guy from german channel is happy with it too :)


still i completely agree that things like that should be kept in userspace, same as automounting etc etc
has nothing to do in kernel somehow as it is a pure user tool


Yes, this works!
Thank you, gimpel.:D
nice :)
/me forwards your "thanks" to peter and his -cko broken-out :P seems he did good work on it! (the lirc-config2 patch that is)
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fallow, you should just include all the logos with the kernel by default. It won't increase the download size that much, and it IS all about choice isn't it? :P
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone been able to get the Ati drivers to work? when I try to install the ati drivers, it fails when compiling the drm module.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fallow,
What will you include in -rc4? Just curious, really liking the desktop IngoSched. Out of the 3 IngoSched options, are any of them the default scheduler for the vanilla 2.6.12 series? Also, what do you think about Staircase 11.1?
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there a way I take the love-sources and patch it to a vanilla kernel without going through mm?
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is there a way I take the love-sources and patch it to a vanilla kernel without going through mm?
:?:

who ever said it's applied on top of -mm o_O

the base is 2.6.12-rc3 vanilla
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WaVeX wrote:
Is there a way I take the love-sources and patch it to a vanilla kernel without going through mm?


Love-sources are not based on mm nor does it include other ricer shit anymore, I applaud Lovechild and fallow for the effort, this kernel is very high quality
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I applaud Lovechild and fallow for the effort, this kernel is very high quality


I second that, latest love-sources are working splendidly well here. The only thing I miss from my -cko days is the 1Gb Lowmem patch although I guess the speed boost is more psychological than anything :?.
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

is it realy so much work to integrate the reiser4 patches?

would it be enaugh to tell the users to don't use it if they wan't a responsiv kernel and don't give support for errors with reiser4 enabled?
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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is it realy so much work to integrate the reiser4 patches?

would it be enaugh to tell the users to don't use it if they wan't a responsiv kernel and don't give support for errors with reiser4 enabled?


Did you know that you have the ability to patch reiser4 support into any kernel all by yourself.
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes, i know. but befor i do this every kernel release i tought it would be a great idea to ask if someone else(how has to patch the kernel anyway) could do this for me ;).

the question is: do you not put raiser4 in the kernel because you don't like it and you think it doens't work good on an desktop - or does it realy improve the kernel(eg because it saves you much time)?
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Husky wrote:
yes, i know. but befor i do this every kernel release i tought it would be a great idea to ask if someone else(how has to patch the kernel anyway) could do this for me ;).

the question is: do you not put raiser4 in the kernel because you don't like it and you think it doens't work good on an desktop - or does it realy improve the kernel(eg because it saves you much time)?


Things that are bad about Reiser4:

1. Its buggy.
2. Its bad for latency - against love-sources goal.
3. Did I mention that its buggy?
4. It needs stuff from -mm, which means it changes the kernel in non-trivial ways that could make a difference even if reiser4 is disabled from kernel config.
5. Oh yeah - its buggy.
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And if you really want reiser4 you can allways apply the reiser4 patches your self..
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

im getting hardlocks everytime i start x

4k stacks are disabled, ive tried using kernel agp and nvidia agp, turned off renderaccel

still no luck

im using the latest nvidia-kernel from portage, any ideas?
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chaosite wrote:
Husky wrote:
yes, i know. but befor i do this every kernel release i tought it would be a great idea to ask if someone else(how has to patch the kernel anyway) could do this for me ;).

the question is: do you not put raiser4 in the kernel because you don't like it and you think it doens't work good on an desktop - or does it realy improve the kernel(eg because it saves you much time)?


Things that are bad about Reiser4:

1. Its buggy.
2. Its bad for latency - against love-sources goal.
3. Did I mention that its buggy?
4. It needs stuff from -mm, which means it changes the kernel in non-trivial ways that could make a difference even if reiser4 is disabled from kernel config.
5. Oh yeah - its buggy.


i think you didn't understand me. but thats maybe my fault ;). ok, the last try for today:

is the kernel better if you don't include the reiser4 patches in the sources, even if you disable reiser4 in your config? this question is not about how bad is reiser4.

my problem is i don't want to switch now. my reiser4 runs ok. its fast and i have no problems with it yet and i have no time and space to move all of my partitions...
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrApples wrote:
im getting hardlocks everytime i start x

4k stacks are disabled, ive tried using kernel agp and nvidia agp, turned off renderaccel

still no luck

im using the latest nvidia-kernel from portage, any ideas?


disable vesa completely, if that works, tell us
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