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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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is the kernel better if you don't include the reiser4 patches in the sources, even if you disable reiser4 in your config?


thats not the point : if you provide a patch you think should provide the best interactivity, why would you include something you think will go against this concept ?

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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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is the kernel better if you don't include the reiser4 patches in the sources, even if you disable reiser4 in your config?


thats not the point : if you provide a patch you think should provide the best interactivity, why would you include something you think will go against this concept ?

cheers


EXACTLY. gringo said exactly this what I have in mind :)

is many other patchsets supporting reiser4. everybody has free choice.

vipernicus wrote:
MrApples wrote:
im getting hardlocks everytime i start x

4k stacks are disabled, ive tried using kernel agp and nvidia agp, turned off renderaccel

still no luck

im using the latest nvidia-kernel from portage, any ideas?


disable vesa completely, if that works, tell us


and my idea is the same. I know that some people has similar problem , and after disabling vesa-tng support at all , was ok

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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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im getting hardlocks everytime i start x

4k stacks are disabled, ive tried using kernel agp and nvidia agp, turned off renderaccel

still no luck

im using the latest nvidia-kernel from portage, any ideas?


Yes a great number, all of them would start with getting the source for the nvidia module so it could be fixed, or using the xfree driver.
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@vipernicus, thanks that did the trick
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2005 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fallow, question for you: do those jfs fixes have any performance effects?

It seems like love has turned into a kernel for those that want performance from their fs without the lack of stability that comes with RR4, at least for ext3 users... if the jfs fixes are performane oriented as well, that's even more true, and I sorta like it :P
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2005 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

any possiblity of supermount making it in? i love that patch :)

thx for a great patchset...

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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2005 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont believe Fallow will include supermount, as you can do the same with hal/ivman without patching, but if you need it , just download this .
should apply quite clean ;)

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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2005 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ck mailing list discusses supermount and it is no longer compatible with 2.6.12-rc* and noone has volunteered to modify the code (a simple merge no longer suffices).
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2005 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gringo wrote:
i dont believe Fallow will include supermount, as you can do the same with hal/ivman without patching, but if you need it , just download this .
should apply quite clean ;)


a agree, and hal/ivman are for me better then supermount - i didnt like it.:?
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2005 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cold_flame wrote:
any possiblity of supermount making it in? i love that patch :)

thx for a great patchset...

coldflame


hal/ivman work nicely now, and also, have you tried autofs? Slightly different approach, although it does have some gaps in the functionality still.
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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cold_flame wrote:
any possiblity of supermount making it in? i love that patch :)

thx for a great patchset...

coldflame


No, no, no --- did I mention no

It's a broken implementation of a good idea, however such things should be kept in userspace where any breakage won't cause datacorruption and the likes - we have been over this time and time again, you should use hal
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what you said about jfs for laptops is interesting. i try it next week at my laptop.
about r4, i can report 4 huge fs-damages in 2 month (x86_64). the last one fucked up my harddisk with input/output errors.
so now i'm with ext3+dir_index on / and reiser4 is at /home (i don't got the time to switch and home only holds some .config files).
oh, yeah, my s-ata2 raid0 runs great with ext3 and it's faster (emerge sync, too) as with r4. i don't know if it's really faster, but it reacts faster, so it's seems. i guess it's the lower cpu usage for the fs, so the biosraid can work faster. i updated certain things with emerge, i didn't feel a difference.
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ahorn wrote:
what you said about jfs for laptops is interesting. i try it next week at my laptop.
about r4, i can report 4 huge fs-damages in 2 month (x86_64). the last one fucked up my harddisk with input/output errors.
so now i'm with ext3+dir_index on / and reiser4 is at /home (i don't got the time to switch and home only holds some .config files).
oh, yeah, my s-ata2 raid0 runs great with ext3 and it's faster (emerge sync, too) as with r4. i don't know if it's really faster, but it reacts faster, so it's seems. i guess it's the lower cpu usage for the fs, so the biosraid can work faster. i updated certain things with emerge, i didn't feel a difference.


great :)

in overall this is one of major reason to go away from reiser4 :)
responsivness of system , interactivity are just better with non-reiser filesystems.
and also fs latencies are smaller :)

Im still using this release , because of I see badness even in rc4-vanilla .

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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2005 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At my laptop (P-M 1,6GHz 512MB) kde starts a lot faster with jfs then with reiser4. that was a big surprise for me ...
power savings seems to be there around 10% with the new fs, i don't have the time to test it with a benchmark.
overall: emerge sync works slower, but the programs are loading faster - so generally the mix between performance and latency is better with jfs. thanks for think about it, fallow. you show me the stupidity of hans reiser based filesystems. anyway, the performance from r4 is untouchable; maybe a reiser-fs will be the best fs someday.
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2005 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ahorn, anybody! its posible to run this patch at amd64 ? im tryin but with no succes :/

thanks
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2005 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah i tested it at amd64. i used staircase and cfq-ts and overall very stable options, because the default options (nickshed etc.) let my system hang.
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2005 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

could you send me a config file, because i cant this compile at my gentoo:/ damn

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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2005 11:35 pm    Post subject: jfs vs. ext3 Reply with quote

i keep seeing people talking about jfs being more efficient and less cpu intensive than reiser4, but what about ext3? which is the better fs there?
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2005 5:31 am    Post subject: Re: jfs vs. ext3 Reply with quote

mkrisch wrote:
i keep seeing people talking about jfs being more efficient and less cpu intensive than reiser4, but what about ext3? which is the better fs there?


there is no best fs of course :) which is better ...every each is just different
of course ext3 has also lower cpu usage and lower latencies than reiserfs and reiser4.

look here also -> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-2301717.html#2301717

Im using full ext3 on my destkop.
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2005 6:36 am    Post subject: Re: jfs vs. ext3 Reply with quote

mkrisch wrote:
i keep seeing people talking about jfs being more efficient and less cpu intensive than reiser4, but what about ext3? which is the better fs there?

i switched to ext3 at my laptop, too. jfs got not the right performance for huge decompressings. kde starts faster again with ext3+dir_index
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I follow the love sources for while (5 months or so).

They have never let me down.

but all newer versions >2.6.10 give me some troubles.

The ati drivers won't compile against it.

the fglrx module fails.

Is there something what can be done to overcome this?

I alread tried to compile it with the latest gentoo sources en copy it to the love-sources dir.

This results in an errormessage saying: Module has wrong format.

if someone know a solution, (other then using a different kernel), ...

all help apreciated.


yours sincerely,

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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

playfool's guide to make ATI work:
1) get the ati source code GPL'ed
2) enjoy a working driver
(for the guide to make nvidia work, just replace the word ati with nvidia)

it's really hard to work with such companies since their drivers suck and are close source so nobody can't even fix the brokenness.
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

playfool wrote:
playfool's guide to make ATI work:
1) get the ati source code GPL'ed
2) enjoy a working driver
(for the guide to make nvidia work, just replace the word ati with nvidia)

it's really hard to work with such companies since their drivers suck and are close source so nobody can't even fix the brokenness.
:lol: That would be funny if it wasn't true. :cry:
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sith_Happens wrote:
playfool wrote:
playfool's guide to make ATI work:
1) get the ati source code GPL'ed
2) enjoy a working driver
(for the guide to make nvidia work, just replace the word ati with nvidia)

it's really hard to work with such companies since their drivers suck and are close source so nobody can't even fix the brokenness.
:lol: That would be funny if it wasn't true. :cry:

:lol::lol::lol:
Yeap :) but unfortunately this is true :)

drivers ?
this is simply , kernel developers often changing the kernel code, driver developers have to be up-to-date.
but about this " drivers developers have to " You know what is the situation.

every fix should be on driver side , not kernel side , just kernel developers making the way to fallow into it , for the drivers developers..

cheers :)
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PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2005 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow great job fallow, my lag when i had heavy FS usage is gone! All works like a charm, best love in ages!


Reiser4, RICE TO THE HELL! :p
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