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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same here!

It stops at coldplug, so I removed coldplug from /etc/initng/system.runlevel, and no
it stops at bootmisc.

Everything starts, except for keymap, that get's an error.

I used initng-0.0.7.ebuild, I'll try it from subversion later.

I suggest an initng-svn.ebuild, if I get some time, I'll try to create one.

Great job!
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some here, but on MandrivaLinux.

Used Verison 0.0.6

I'll try 007 now...
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

today i've tryed 0.0.6 on my gentoo box. And it works rocket fast.
The only thing i need - start my gdm (xdm) at startup. Is it possible ?
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jodaka wrote:
today i've tryed 0.0.6 on my gentoo box. And it works rocket fast.
The only thing i need - start my gdm (xdm) at startup. Is it possible ?


You can do this with:

ng-update add daemon/gdm default
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

posthuman_5 wrote:
initng just stops when starting system/coldplug :S whats the problem?


Having the same error...

and ng-update dont seems to work as it should...

Code:

root@p238 initng # ng-update add net/eth1 default
 * net/eth1 added to runlevel default


Then nothing more happends... the program doesnt quit. and it doesnt change in system.runlevel
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enderson wrote:
I suggest an initng-svn.ebuild, if I get some time, I'll try to create one.


Already exists, can be found around page 4 of this thread.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 4:19 pm    Post subject: Re: preload files on boot Reply with quote

irondog wrote:
JimmyW wrote:

I have been thinking about this too, but this need som deep kernel changes, or even rewriting part of the filsystem source i think..

I do plan to let initng sens what files a processes uses on startup, and on next boot preload the files from disk to memory cache, before the dependcy for the app is up, this will improve some... I am currently working on this...

This must be impossible without kernel hacks. The only 'program' that can record which files are opened, is the kernel.



Are you sure ? I heard about an utility named filemon that runs fine under X and that track all file accesses in real time !

Here it is: http://www.sysinternals.com/linux/utilities.shtml

--EDIT--
I readed now that filemon does not support Kernel 2.6.

But i found strace:

http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/strace/

Could it be useful ?
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eGore911 wrote:
Enderson wrote:
I suggest an initng-svn.ebuild, if I get some time, I'll try to create one.


Already exists, can be found around page 4 of this thread.


Yeah, I found! I had to do
Code:
make mkfifos

by hand.

It's all the same. Stops on coldplug, removing it, it stops on bootmisc.

I says bootmisc started, and done. at 88%, and stops.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

posthuman_5 wrote:
initng just stops when starting system/coldplug :S whats the problem?


Hi

This is a bug and can easely be fixed.

If you look at tty/12 you will see that keymap complains about keymap is not set in /etc/conf.d/keymap. This can be solved by updating your Gentoo system. (emerge sync && emerge system)


Another way to simply solve the problem is to remove keymaps and (consolefonts?) from /etc/initng/system.runlevel.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

little advice: could you create a rss feeds for your new version? :oops:
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Piken wrote:
posthuman_5 wrote:
initng just stops when starting system/coldplug :S whats the problem?


Hi

This is a bug and can easely be fixed.

If you look at tty/12 you will see that keymap complains about keymap is not set in /etc/conf.d/keymap. This can be solved by updating your Gentoo system. (emerge sync && emerge system)


Another way to simply solve the problem is to remove keymaps and (consolefonts?) from /etc/initng/system.runlevel.


None of this solved, I had to remove keymap and consolefont frmo system.runlevel. Now it works.

There isn't a sysklogd.i, before you say something, I tryied to create, but it didn't worked. =/
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 7:39 pm    Post subject: Need a Good Wiki Reply with quote

If I may suggest a wiki for this discussion?

I realize JimmyW has just been pounded with new users and it's being tested on a scale beyond the flexibility of this thread.

Personally, I am no Wiki expert, but they seem to do the trick in a pinch (at least until somebody has a chance to start on some standard documentation).

[removed link to old wiki] New wiki found at: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Initng

Great job so far, JimmyW. Best of luck.

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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

couldn't gentoo-wiki be used for that ?
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fuoco wrote:
couldn't gentoo-wiki be used for that ?


this is a good idea imho

This project really rocks
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 7:59 pm    Post subject: Moved to Gentoo-Wiki Reply with quote

Thanks, much better. (Never heard of Gentoo wiki.)

It's still a hacked-up page, needs formatting etc, but at least it's a starting point of organization. Please read the FAQ before posting, and please submit suggestions/solutions for the FAQ.

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Initng

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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

is it not a good idea to add to the wiki installation istructions?

Will initng support starting daemons/services only when they are really needed? e.g: cupsd when printing for the first time. (Actually that's the only idea that comes to my mind now, but probably there's others)
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well here this mpd.i is working:

Code:
service daemon/mpd {
    depends = system/alsasound system/localmount
    #provide = mpd daemon
    daemon = /usr/bin/mpd
    daemon_args = --no-create-db /etc/mpd.conf
}



feel free to blame me...
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i really look forward to see all the general distros being supported by your great work. i don't *really* want to trash my current SuSE :roll: and set up Gentoo to be able to run initng.

kudos to the Dev. keep it up. :up:
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could be a nice idea to make initng replace also a cron and xinted. Is this planned/possible?
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fuoco wrote:
Could be a nice idea to make initng replace also a cron and xinted. Is this planned/possible?


Maby initng wil stabilize some and, get all the basic features that is still missing.

It also depends on how other people contribute to the project, i dont have time to manage this compleate project, thats wy i released it GPL, and asking for help.


/ Jimmy Wennlund
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

galiza_ceive wrote:
Well here this mpd.i is working:

Code:
service daemon/mpd {
    depends = system/alsasound system/localmount
    #provide = mpd daemon
    daemon = /usr/bin/mpd
    daemon_args = --no-create-db /etc/mpd.conf
}



feel free to blame me...


Added to subversion revision 96
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 9:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Need a Good Wiki Reply with quote

pheatwole wrote:
If I may suggest a wiki for this discussion?

I realize JimmyW has just been pounded with new users and it's being tested on a scale beyond the flexibility of this thread.

Personally, I am no Wiki expert, but they seem to do the trick in a pinch (at least until somebody has a chance to start on some standard documentation).

[removed link to old wiki] New wiki found at: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Initng

Great job so far, JimmyW. Best of luck.

-- pheatwole


A Wiki! Cool, i added a link directly on http://jw.dyndns.org/initng

Thank you all!

// Jimmy Wennlund
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

normal sysvinit /bad lilo labbeled :P/ http://img247.echo.cx/my.php?image=bootchartinit9qj.png

initng http://img247.echo.cx/my.php?image=bootchart6ly.png

great
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2005 10:00 pm    Post subject: Updated Reply with quote

I've updated and added preliminary installation instructions to the Wiki.

Also, in keeping with the gentoo-wiki layout I've moved it to

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Initng


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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone here using a wireless network card? I took a look at the net/wlan script and the startup command is just wifi-radar, which is an X program not in portage. I tried making my own script, but I can't figure out how to get iwconfig to auto select the best essid... any ideas? Great piece of software by the way, things boot really fast.
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