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| Lechium wrote: | | Isn't guru a status based on post count on these boards? So if you're a newb like me who asks TONNNS of questions, you becomes a 'guru' eventually? =) |
Duh. How do you think I got here? 
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christsong84
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Lechium wrote: | | Isn't guru a status based on post count on these boards? So if you're a newb like me who asks TONNNS of questions, you becomes a 'guru' eventually? =) |
short answer: yup
side note: it goes faster if yo uhelp answer other people's questions too 
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dacoool
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And what am i?
I have gentoo runnig on my DesktopPC (Pentiu4@3,2GHz-800MHz FSB / 1024MB DDR / Radeon 9600Pro 256MB DDR / 240GB HDD)
it is also running on my Laptop (Pentium 4M @ 1,7GHz / 512MB DDR / Radeon M6LY )
and now i am compiling Linux for my Zaurus... (ARM @ 202MHz / 16MB ROM)
so what am i ?
The forum says I am a "n00b"
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ian!
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| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| dacoool wrote: | and now i am compiling Linux for my Zaurus... (ARM @ 202MHz / 16MB ROM)
so what am i ? |
I'd say: advanced
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Boris27
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What helped me a lot was getting an old box and try to get it in a working server state.
That means installing linux, get apache, bind, dhcpd, squid and proftpd up and just tinker with it for a while.
I constantly use my server now. It gives out DHCP adresses, updates the name server with that new adress so the machine can be reached via DNS. It has a web server hosting some pointless stuff for me now. It runs squid, and I use that as my proxy, which really helps a far bit in speeding web access up. I don't really use proftpd, but I wanted to try it anyway.
The nice thing about linux servers is that they can be very low powered. My first server was a P2-333 with 128MB ram and a 4 GB drive. The server I have now is a P3-800 with 512MB ram and a 10 GB disk. I know people who run a very nice server on a Pentium 166 with 64MB of RAM.
Learning like that is really easy. Just set a goal for yourself (like get a proxy working), and start working.
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| upalom00 wrote: | I have a working system now ... and I am happy with it. So, I probably won't trash this one. I think I might just use another hard drive and do the installs and experiementing on that.
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You don't even really need a spare drive. If you have a few Gb of free space you can redo the installation steps in a chrooted environment within your existing system. Create a /mnt/gentoo (or any other name you like), unload a stage file into it, chroot to it and play away. There's a script in the LiveCD from Scratch entry in the Gentoo Wiki that will come in handy:
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mount -o bind /proc /mnt/gentoo/proc
mount -o bind /sys /mnt/gentoo/sys
mount -o bind /dev /mnt/gentoo/dev
mount -o bind /dev/pts /mnt/gentoo/dev/pts
mount -o bind /spare/distfiles /mnt/gentoo/usr/portage/distfiles
echo "Don't forget these: env-update; source /etc/profile"
chroot /mnt/gentoo/ /bin/bash --login
umount /mnt/gentoo/proc
umount /mnt/gentoo/sys
umount /mnt/gentoo/dev/pts
umount /mnt/gentoo/dev
umount /mnt/gentoo/usr/portage/distfiles
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It sets up a number of useful things within the chroot environment, does the chroot, then tears it all down when you exit.
If you do this, you should also go find the instructions for setting up a portage rsync server, then fix up /etc/make.conf within the chroot to point to it so you can keep the chroot space sync'd up. It can be on the same system, serving right out of your main /usr/portage. Works a treat for me...  |
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hanni_ali
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patience perseverence and the odd bit of good luck is what i rely on
i also set goals to improve myself, building a live cd was a good one...
this also helps you undrstand the installation steps cos you end up haveing to do it a few times.
currently working on understanding the kernel and building a cluster |
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statmobile
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Never be afraid to try something, even if it looks difficult. I setup an imap server, forward my ssh port outside of my firewall (landlord controlled), and share my printer with my ibook running OS X 10.4.
Basically, I just cruise the forums and wiki every so often, and see what people are talking about. If it interests me, I set some time aside to give it a try. Don't underestimate the power of books as well, try Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition
I just play on my machine, and see what goes on. Don't be afraid of the man files, the good ones really explain the way the program works.
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starrbuck
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| Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: How do I get to Guru status? |
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| nixnut wrote: | | upalom00 wrote: | | Seriously, I want to learn many of the inner workings of Linux. How do you Gurus do this? I've been doing some reading but it seems like there is so much of it and so many different topics. |
And don't pay any attention to the rankings on the forums. Those are merely based on the number of posts you made. So somebody who asks 300 silly questions will be ranked guru. |
There are no silly questions, only silly people!
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dol-sen
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Probably one of the best ways to begin learning more is to hang out in the "Installing Gentoo" forum and try to figure out what the poeple are doing wrong and check the results with what others come up with and what actually fixes it.
After a while you"ll be going: OOH! OOH I know this one! and post an answer. As your knowledge progresses you can venture into the other forums and do the same.
Then you might join a dev team developing an app, and learn a bunch more.
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nixnut
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| ian! wrote: | | dacoool wrote: | and now i am compiling Linux for my Zaurus... (ARM @ 202MHz / 16MB ROM)
so what am i ? |
I'd say: advanced |
Retarded, if he'd said "compiling on my Zaurus"
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ph03n1x
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| nixnut wrote: | | ian! wrote: | | dacoool wrote: | and now i am compiling Linux for my Zaurus... (ARM @ 202MHz / 16MB ROM)
so what am i ? |
I'd say: advanced |
Retarded, if he'd said "compiling on my Zaurus" |
Hehe, ouch |
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joshua
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If you see something you don't know or understand:
- read the docs and man pages
- search the forums
- search the web
- ask
and afterwards wonder where the past 2-3 years have gone ...
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cynric
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I agree that just using linux/gentoo will go a long way. Especially if it's your main system, because it something doesn't work, there is a big incentive to make it work. But, I'd say that one of the "fastest" ways to learn, is to use the forums. Like dol-sen mentioned, find an unanswered post and try to find the answer. The research will be extremely beneficial and, hopefully, maybe you'll find an answer for someone.
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Headrush
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| Khlept0 wrote: | | If breaking shit could make you a veteran, I'd own this distro. |
Get your system running and then look deeper into the areas that interest you.
As you follow these areas, they will lead you to other areas you will be forced to learn first.
Don't expect to become a "Guru" for everything. It just won't happen.
For as much as you think you know, there is so much more you won't. (Not just you, all of us)
And in my opinion, make sure you learn proper problem solving skills.
It will make it so much easier for you to learn, follow, and understand new topics.
I know way too many fellow CS graduates and MCP professionals that have "certs" that suggest they should be "Gurus" but all they can do is regurgitate memorized info and can't figure out anything. |
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cynric
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| Quote: | | I know way too many fellow CS graduates and MCP professionals that have "certs" that suggest they should be "Gurus" but all they can do is regurgitate memorized info and can't figure out anything. |
Wow ... you know people who can actually quote it? You surely do live in a "Bizarro World" :P
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| cynric wrote: | | Wow ... you know people who can actually quote it? You surely do live in a "Bizarro World" |
They all follow and quote the Microsoft IT motto for all problems: "REINSTALL" |
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lol just think of it this way... Guru status just means you post alot here.... If you want that just answer really easy questions for noobs all day... If you want to be a real guru use your system. Things I've done with gentoo are ftp server, nfs server, samba server, apache/mysql/php, usb pam login, pipe menus with opebox for wallpapers and other things, lvm raid, beta tested tons of packages for amd64, "optimized" (for better or worse) XFS, reiserfs,ext3, used grub and lilo, experimented with various cron/syslog programs, tested initng, learning perl, set up wirless networking.... etc Yeah true guru status would just be using this great system and abusing it to the best of your ability. Gentoo is the most flexable system I've ever used and the things you want to do with it are limited by your own imagination. In short to be a guru do guru things and master them!
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momesana
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: How do I get to Guru status? |
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| Athas wrote: | | upalom00 wrote: | | Seriously, I want to learn many of the inner workings of Linux. How do you Gurus do this? I've been doing some reading but it seems like there is so much of it and so many different topics. |
Try Linux from Scratch, and prepare for many a sleepless night. |
I agree! It will give you the big picture but the details come with time. And you should also try to program a little. |
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nevynxxx
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| dacoool wrote: | And what am i?
I have gentoo runnig on my DesktopPC (Pentiu4@3,2GHz-800MHz FSB / 1024MB DDR / Radeon 9600Pro 256MB DDR / 240GB HDD)
it is also running on my Laptop (Pentium 4M @ 1,7GHz / 512MB DDR / Radeon M6LY )
and now i am compiling Linux for my Zaurus... (ARM @ 202MHz / 16MB ROM)
so what am i ?
The forum says I am a "n00b" |
*you* are advanced. Your forum status is *noob* i.e. you don't post much.
Your forum status != how well you use or how much you know about linux....I thought that was pretty obvious.
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It says I'm an apprentice, and that fits pretty well  |
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jballou
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| dacoool wrote: | And what am i?
I have gentoo runnig on my DesktopPC (Pentiu4@3,2GHz-800MHz FSB / 1024MB DDR / Radeon 9600Pro 256MB DDR / 240GB HDD)
it is also running on my Laptop (Pentium 4M @ 1,7GHz / 512MB DDR / Radeon M6LY )
and now i am compiling Linux for my Zaurus... (ARM @ 202MHz / 16MB ROM)
so what am i ?
The forum says I am a "n00b" |
Got it running on 4 laptops, 4 desktops, 12 servers, and soon on my Dell Axim (got it to boot, sort of). I'm still a n00b though, weird thing about Linux is that there are so many branches that one could be good in. I do a lot of my own DB/web stuff which I fancy myself as good at, but now that I'm getting into writing an access-control program on one of my gateways, and learning iptables, I am back to n00bville. Gotta love the hearty userbase though, nice to be able tos earch an esoteric problem and get 50 threads about it
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 12:26 am Post subject: Re: How do I get to Guru status? |
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| Athas wrote: | | upalom00 wrote: | | Seriously, I want to learn many of the inner workings of Linux. How do you Gurus do this? I've been doing some reading but it seems like there is so much of it and so many different topics. |
Try Linux from Scratch, and prepare for many a sleepless night. |
LFS can be a great learning tool, but you still have to discipline yourself to actually think about all those commands you're typing in, and if something's not clear, do some further study on the side. Otherwise, you're just an automaton typing your way through an especially long installation manual. |
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| christsong84 wrote: | | Lechium wrote: | | Isn't guru a status based on post count on these boards? So if you're a newb like me who asks TONNNS of questions, you becomes a 'guru' eventually? =) |
short answer: yup
side note: it goes faster if yo uhelp answer other people's questions too |
Try not to post more than 600 questions or replies because you'll then lose your "Guru" status!
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