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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As i said on the main side:

@Fallow and Lovechild:
Do the patchset as you want it to be. I am still using reiser4, but the only reason, why i didnt switched back to xfs/ext3/jfs is only because i am to lazy. Maybe you can give a little kick to whip reiser4 out of my system. :)

@all

What do you think about a filesystem, that has great speed issues on writing files to disk (including copying, moving, deleting)?

Great! ok, full ack!

ok, and what, if these filesystem is more unstable than other fses? not so good? ok!

And what, if these fs isnt even unstable but got also a very high CPU-Usage, very high Memory-Usage? Then none would use it for a desktop system, right? RIGHT! A fs could be as fast as impossible, but nobody would use it for a Desktop-PC because the downgrade of Latency, that MUST come with these high cpu- and memory-usage, is indiscustable. We would use it for a File-Server, right? RIGHT!

But for a desktop-pc, we need a fast fs, that has a great latency, and hasnt so much ram or cpu-usage, because we want an optimal performance for Desktop and exspecially an optimal Latency for the desktop.

But, if that all is right, (and it MUST be right, because we are all intelligent people and dont belive every shit that the TV told us (Hey thats why we dont use buggy MakroHard, but lovely tuxy as our os)),
why are there so much users of reiser4?

I use it, yes. I want to test it on my own. I did the test, and the test said to me, that reiser4 isnt a good choice for my desktop. And now i am to lazy to bring my good old xfs/ext3/jfs back on the hd.

Yes, it is fast! Oh hell yeah! its really fast. but it is no good choice for a desktop pc.

just my 2 cents
skar

EDIT: If you dont believe me, you can test in on your own. a real simple test:

patch reiser4 to a plain vanilla-kernel. Copy large couples of files between 2 disks. at the same time start compiling 2 programms (maybe 2 different kernel or emerge 2 programms). Start xmms and play a few mp3s. Have you got lags in your music?

And now do the same with an ext3/xfs/jfs system. have you got now any lags in your music?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

love-sources.org wrote:

I canceling the maintaining of love-sources.

In effect of very divided opinions in the love-sources team and users I decided to cancel my maitaining of love-sources.

I have the same opinion as Lovechild about futher of love-sources ( mainly we want to cut reiser4 support, cut all very unstable/untrusted patches etc )

I see that majority of love-users has a priority in reiser4 support.

I want to do a patchset for interactivity and having CPU Scheduler oriented for minimal latencies for example and able users to using Reiser4 , a filesystem with maximal latencies and highest cpu usage what is very bad for interactivity is just unlogical for me .

I also dont want to have a sources who are working only for some poeple .

I have intend to do something still , but in just other conception and I propably will do it as my old vivid-sources.

THANKS FOR EVERY PEOPLE FROM THE LOVE-SOURCES CHANNEL for the support . especially at the beginning for very nice welcome of me.
also for these all nice conversations and dicussions on the channel.
For Lovechild for the all support,and other guys more and less collected to the love-sources but who "living with the channel also" .

and thanks for everyone who used my work - my releases.
and Im also learned a lot from this period of time .

cheers & greeting.
fallow :)

of course I will stay on the channel - we have very nice atmosphere here
and will give support for further maintainers if they will want it ;)



cheers :)
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So long and thanks for the sources fallow. :wink:
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As i said on the main site:

Thanks fallow for your great work and you are welcome to join my own patchset projekt, wich i plan to start in the near future.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks fallow you've been a great love-source maintainer. i agree with you on the ricer thang and would like very much like to have a rock solid kernel with great interactivity. hope you can obtain that on vivid. the thing i loved the most on the latest love was selectable cpu and io scheduler and id love to see that on vivid, if it applies. :wink:

cheers !
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks a lot for yr. work fallow, yr. releases were great, some of them just amazing (on boot selectable cpu sched, on-the-fly changeable io-sched...)...

cheers

PS. I thought yr. love maintenance won't end like this... Love-sources isn't a commercial product (like a hamburguer), if people wants some nasty things on it and you, the patchset developer, don't want so, let's keep them both out... There are another patchsets... This is not a market... Reiser4... If you have the skills to use that fs at yr. own risk, you should know how to apply reiser4 patches...


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys :):)

Yes I know , but I dont have intend to do something that users dont want to have.

I can realize my or Lovechild's (cause they are the same hehe) ideas in other way :) and just dont care if many people will use it.
If one other to me man will use it , will be good ;)

cheers.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@fallow sounds interessting! When can we expect a new project from you? What is the other way to realize your ideas? an different patchset? a new distro? A new OS? :twisted:
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hehehe :):)

a new patchset . but not so new .
in the past I was releasing a vivid-sources - > http://sourceforge.net/projects/vivid-sources .
and https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-197069-highlight-vividsources.html
I have plane to reactivate it , but only with one tree.
In the past was been vivid,vivid_e,mm_vivid etc. definitive too much :)

now will be just vivid :)
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello!
I have a problem...
When I try to boot with love i get the following error:

VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1173: dl_main: Assertion '(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed!
VFS: Cannot open root device "evms/root" or unknown-block(0,0)
... ....

Can anyone help me???

ps my old kernel works fine...
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2005 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

swoppe wrote:
Hello!
I have a problem...
When I try to boot with love i get the following error:

VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1173: dl_main: Assertion '(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed!
VFS: Cannot open root device "evms/root" or unknown-block(0,0)
... ....

Can anyone help me???

ps my old kernel works fine...

Same error here, and my / partition has reiserfs.
Indeed 2.6.12-rc1-love1 works fine (except for fbsplash I cannot see at boot)
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To get rid of that error try adding vdso=0 to your kernel cmdline.
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SOLVED: dumbass me.. i didn't have ATAPI CDROM support in the kernel :oops:

Original problem:
I'm having a problem with the latest love. After I compiled DMA into my kernel (which i forgot before) the /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd device nodes disappeared. To check that it's not a wrong-doing of udev, i checked it with another kernel, and it has hdc and hdd. Now both of those devices show up in dmesg. So why don't they show up in my /dev tree? Any ideas? My dmesg is here:
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Linux version 2.6.12-rc2-love1 (root@shield) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5- 12)) #10 Mon May 2 22:17:37 EEST 2005
BIOS-provided physical RAM map:
BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 00000000000a0000 (usable)
BIOS-e820: 00000000000f0000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved)
BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 0000000017ff0000 (usable)
BIOS-e820: 0000000017ff0000 - 0000000017ff3000 (ACPI NVS)
BIOS-e820: 0000000017ff3000 - 0000000018000000 (ACPI data)
BIOS-e820: 00000000ffff0000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved)
383MB LOWMEM available.
Using x86 segment limits to approximate NX protection
On node 0 totalpages: 98288
DMA zone: 4096 pages, LIFO batch:1
Normal zone: 94192 pages, LIFO batch:16
HighMem zone: 0 pages, LIFO batch:1
DMI 2.3 present.
ACPI: RSDP (v000 VIA694 ) @ 0x000f6c20
ACPI: RSDT (v001 VIA694 AWRDACPI 0x42302e31 AWRD 0x00000000) @ 0x17ff3000
ACPI: FADT (v001 VIA694 AWRDACPI 0x42302e31 AWRD 0x00000000) @ 0x17ff3040
ACPI: DSDT (v001 VIA694 AWRDACPI 0x00001000 MSFT 0x0100000c) @ 0x00000000
Allocating PCI resources starting at 18000000 (gap: 18000000:e7ff0000)
Built 1 zonelists
Kernel command line: root=/dev/hda4 devfs=nomount vdso=0 cpusched=staircase usbh id.mousepoll=8
Local APIC disabled by BIOS -- you can enable it with "lapic"
mapped APIC to ffffd000 (01302000)
Initializing CPU#0
PID hash table entries: 2048 (order: 11, 32768 bytes)
Detected 1403.743 MHz processor.
Using tsc for high-res timesource
Console: colour VGA+ 80x25
Dentry cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes)
Inode-cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 5, 131072 bytes)
Memory: 384796k/393152k available (2901k kernel code, 7808k reserved, 1054k data , 180k init, 0k highmem)
Checking if this processor honours the WP bit even in supervisor mode... Ok.
Calibrating delay loop... 2768.89 BogoMIPS (lpj=1384448)
Mount-cache hash table entries: 512
CPU: After generic identify, caps: 0183f9ff c1c7f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
CPU: After vendor identify, caps: 0183f9ff c1c7f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000000 0 0000000 00000000
CPU: L1 I Cache: 64K (64 bytes/line), D cache 64K (64 bytes/line)
CPU: L2 Cache: 256K (64 bytes/line)
CPU: After all inits, caps: 0183f9ff c1c7f9ff 00000000 00000020 00000000 0000000 0 00000000
Intel machine check architecture supported.
Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0.
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) processor stepping 04
Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done.
Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK.
ACPI: setting ELCR to 0020 (from 1c20)
|---------------------------------------------------------------|
| Version : 2.6.12-rc2-love1 ,o8o, ,o8o, |
| made by fallow for Love-Community ,888888,888888, |
| PLEASE DON'T REPORT ANY BUG TO GENTOO DEVS 888888888888888 |
| for the support please join #love-sources 888888888888888 |
| on freenode or post in the love thread `8888888888888' |
| on Unsupported Software forum <Gentoo Forums> `888888888' |
| `88888' |
| GENETIC NICKSCHED compiled into kernel `8' |
|---------------------------------------------------------------|
Running with "staircase" cpu scheduler.
Initializing Genetic Library - version 0.4mh
Initializing nick-sched's phenotype nick-sched-genes-all
8 children started in nick-sched genetic library
NET: Registered protocol family 16
PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfb500, last bus=1
PCI: Using configuration type 1
mtrr: v2.0 (20020519)
ACPI: Subsystem revision 20050309
ACPI: Interpreter enabled
ACPI: Using PIC for interrupt routing
ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (0000:00)
PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00)
ACPI: Assume root bridge [\_SB_.PCI0] segment is 0
ACPI: Assume root bridge [\_SB_.PCI0] bus is 0
Boot video device is 0000:01:00.0
ACPI: Can't get handler for 0000:00:01.0
ACPI: Can't get handler for 0000:00:07.1
ACPI: Can't get handler for 0000:00:09.0
ACPI: Can't get handler for 0000:00:0a.0
ACPI: Can't get handler for 0000:00:0a.1
ACPI: Can't get handler for 0000:01:00.0
ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0._PRT]
ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs 1 3 4 5 6 7 *10 11 12 14 15)
ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] (IRQs 1 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 14 15) *0, disabled.
ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] (IRQs 1 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 *12 14 15)
ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] (IRQs 1 3 4 5 6 7 10 *11 12 14 15)
Linux Plug and Play Support v0.97 (c) Adam Belay
pnp: PnP ACPI init
ACPI: No ACPI bus support for 00:00
ACPI: No ACPI bus support for 00:01
ACPI: No ACPI bus support for 00:02
ACPI: No ACPI bus support for 00:03
ACPI: No ACPI bus support for 00:04
ACPI: No ACPI bus support for 00:05
ACPI: No ACPI bus support for 00:06
ACPI: No ACPI bus support for 00:07
ACPI: No ACPI bus support for 00:08
ACPI: No ACPI bus support for 00:09
ACPI: No ACPI bus support for 00:0a
pnp: PnP ACPI: found 11 devices
SCSI subsystem initialized
usbcore: registered new driver usbfs
usbcore: registered new driver hub
PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing
PCI: If a device doesn't work, try "pci=routeirq". If it helps, post a report
Machine check exception polling timer started.
inotify device minor=63
Initializing Cryptographic API
Applying VIA southbridge workaround.
lp: driver loaded but no devices found
Real Time Clock Driver v1.12
Linux agpgart interface v0.101 (c) Dave Jones
agpgart: Detected VIA Twister-K/KT133x/KM133 chipset
agpgart: AGP aperture is 128M @ 0xd0000000
vesafb: NVIDIA Corporation, NV28 Board, Chip Rev A2 (OEM: NVIDIA)
vesafb: VBE version: 3.0
vesafb: protected mode interface info at c000:ea60
vesafb: pmi: set display start = c00cea96, set palette = c00ceb00
vesafb: pmi: ports = 3b4 3b5 3ba 3c0 3c1 3c4 3c5 3c6 3c7 3c8 3c9 3cc 3ce 3cf 3d0 3d1 3d2 3d3 3d4 3d5 3da
vesafb: hardware supports DCC2 transfers
vesafb: monitor limits: vf = 160 Hz, hf = 85 kHz, clk = 2550 MHz
vesafb: scrolling: redraw
Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 128x48
vesafb: framebuffer at 0xd8000000, mapped to 0xd8880000, using 1536k, total 6553 6k
fb0: VESA VGA frame buffer device
ACPI: No ACPI bus support for vesafb.0
ACPI: Power Button (FF) [PWRF]
ACPI: Power Button (CM) [PWRB]
ACPI: Sleep Button (CM) [SLPB]
ACPI: CPU0 (power states: C1[C1])
ACPI: Processor [CPU0] (supports 2 throttling states)
PNP: PS/2 Controller [PNP0303:PS2K] at 0x60,0x64 irq 10
ACPI: No ACPI bus support for i8042
serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1
parport_pc: VIA 686A/8231 detected
parport_pc: probing current configuration
parport_pc: Current parallel port base: 0x378
parport0: PC-style at 0x378, irq 7 [PCSPP(,...)]
lp0: using parport0 (interrupt-driven).
parport_pc: VIA parallel port: io=0x378, irq=7
io scheduler noop registered
io scheduler anticipatory registered
Initializing Genetic Library - version 0.4mh
Initializing as-ioscheduler's phenotype num_ops
Initializing as-ioscheduler's phenotype throughput
Initializing as-ioscheduler's phenotype latency
Initializing as-ioscheduler's phenotype general
8 children started in as-ioscheduler genetic library
io scheduler deadline registered
io scheduler cfq registered
Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
ACPI: No ACPI bus support for serio0
FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077
ACPI: No ACPI bus support for floppy.0
RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size 1024 blocksize
8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.27
ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] enabled at IRQ 11
PCI: setting IRQ 11 as level-triggered
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:09.0[A] -> Link [LNKD] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11
eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xd8802000, 00:30:4f:1b:13:f6, IRQ 11
eth0: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8139C'
Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2
ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
VP_IDE: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:07.1
PCI: Via PIC IRQ fixup for 0000:00:07.1, from 255 to 0
VP_IDE: chipset revision 6
VP_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
VP_IDE: VIA vt82c686b (rev 40) IDE UDMA100 controller on pci0000:00:07.1
ide0: BM-DMA at 0xc000-0xc007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio
ide1: BM-DMA at 0xc008-0xc00f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA
Probing IDE interface ide0...
hda: Maxtor 6Y080P0, ATA DISK drive
ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
ACPI: No ACPI bus support for 0.0
Probing IDE interface ide1...
hdc: SAMSUNG CD-ROM SC-148S, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
hdd: LITE-ON LTR-48125S, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
ACPI: No ACPI bus support for 1.0
ACPI: No ACPI bus support for 1.1
Probing IDE interface ide2...
Probing IDE interface ide3...
Probing IDE interface ide4...
Probing IDE interface ide5...
hda: max request size: 128KiB
hda: 160086528 sectors (81964 MB) w/7936KiB Cache, CHS=65535/16/63, UDMA(100)
hda: cache flushes supported
hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4
USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v2.2
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:07.2[D] -> Link [LNKD] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11
uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller
uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1
uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: irq 11, io base 0x0000c400
ACPI: No ACPI bus support for usb1
hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found
hub 1-0:1.0: 2 ports detected
ACPI: No ACPI bus support for 1-0:1.0
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:07.3[D] -> Link [LNKD] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11
uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.3: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (#2)
uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.3: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2
uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.3: irq 11, io base 0x0000c800
ACPI: No ACPI bus support for usb2
hub 2-0:1.0: USB hub found
hub 2-0:1.0: 2 ports detected
ACPI: No ACPI bus support for 2-0:1.0
usb 1-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2
ACPI: No ACPI bus support for 1-1
ACPI: No ACPI bus support for 1-1:1.0
usbcore: registered new driver usblp
drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: v0.13: USB Printer Device Class driver
Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage
USB Mass Storage support registered.
input: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on usb-0000:00:07.2 -1
usbcore: registered new driver usbhid
drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.01:USB HID core driver
mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.9rc2 (Thu Mar 24 10:33:39 2005 UTC).
ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] enabled at IRQ 12
PCI: setting IRQ 12 as level-triggered
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:0a.0[A] -> Link [LNKC] -> GSI 12 (level, low) -> IRQ 12
ALSA device list:
#0: SB Live [Unknown] (rev.10, serial:0x80661102) at 0xe000, irq 12
NET: Registered protocol family 2
IP: routing cache hash table of 4096 buckets, 32Kbytes
TCP established hash table entries: 16384 (order: 5, 131072 bytes)
TCP bind hash table entries: 16384 (order: 4, 65536 bytes)
TCP: Hash tables configured (established 16384 bind 16384)
NET: Registered protocol family 1
NET: Registered protocol family 17
input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard on isa0060/serio0
ReiserFS: hda4: found reiserfs format "3.6" with standard journal
ReiserFS: hda4: using ordered data mode
ReiserFS: hda4: journal params: device hda4, size 8192, journal first block 18, max trans len 1024, max batch 900, max commit age 30, max trans age 30
ReiserFS: hda4: checking transaction log (hda4)
ReiserFS: hda4: Using r5 hash to sort names
VFS: Mounted root (reiserfs filesystem) readonly.
Freeing unused kernel memory: 180k freed
Adding 489972k swap on /dev/hda2. Priority:-1 extents:1
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i just want to say --- please please PLEASE dont let this kernel patchset die.


i get 10000% better interactivity with genetic nicksched / anticipatory than what i do with any other setup i have tested.


i will be so sad :(

pleassse!!!!!!!


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