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gkmac
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You can add "cinelerra-cvs" to the apps that do NOT work with --as-needed. It compiles, but fails to start.
EDIT: Oops, I meant to say "media-video/cinelerra-cvs" |
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beep-media-player compile and works with:
| Code: | CFLAGS="-march=athlon-xp -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -momit-leaf-frame-pointer -fno-ident -pipe"
CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS} -fvisibility-inlines-hidden"
LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--enable-new-dtags -Wl,--sort-common -s -Wl,--as-needed" |
I'm compiling now system, i hope it works 
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virtual
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
Here is a list of KDE 3.4.0 apps. I can confirm work, and the speedup is significant, the binarys (on hd) are also smaller.
kde-base/kcminit-3.4.0 *
kde-base/kwalletmanager-3.4.0 *
kde-base/kdebase-pam-4 *
kde-base/kicker-3.4.0 *
kde-base/kompare-3.4.0 *
kde-base/kmenuedit-3.4.0 *
kde-base/kate-3.4.0 *
kde-base/kopete-3.4.0-r2 *
kde-base/kdeprint-3.4.0 *
kde-base/ksplashml-3.4.0 *
kde-base/kdm-3.4.0 *
kde-base/umbrello-3.4.0 *
kde-base/kpdf-3.4.0 *
kde-base/kpersonalizer-3.4.0 *
kde-base/ksirc-3.4.0 *
kde-base/kwin-3.4.0 *
kde-base/arts-3.4.0 *
kde-base/libkonq-3.4.0 *
kde-base/kdebase-data-3.4.0 *
kde-base/kreadconfig-3.4.0 *
kde-base/kdesu-3.4.0 *
kde-base/khelpcenter-3.4.0 *
kde-base/cervisia-3.4.0 *
kde-base/kdebase-startkde-3.4.0-r1 *
kde-base/kdelibs-3.4.0-r2 *
kde-base/kde-env-3-r3 *
kde-base/ksmserver-3.4.0 *
kde-base/kcheckpass-3.4.0 *
kde-base/kdialog-3.4.0 *
kde-base/konsole-3.4.0 *
kde-base/kcontrol-3.4.0 *
kde-base/kdesktop-3.4.0 *
kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-3.4.0 *
kde-base/konqueror-3.4.0 *
My emerge info
Portage 2.0.51.19 (default-linux/x86/2005.0, gcc-3.3.5-20050130, glibc-2.3.4.20041102-r1, 2.6.11-ck8-r1 i686)
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System uname: 2.6.11-ck8-r1 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.40GHz
Gentoo Base System version 1.4.16
Python: dev-lang/python-2.3.5 [2.3.5 (#1, May 5 2005, 16:10:44)]
distcc 2.16 i686-pc-linux-gnu (protocols 1 and 2) (default port 3632) [enabled]
dev-lang/python: 2.3.5
sys-apps/sandbox: [Not Present]
sys-devel/autoconf: 2.59-r6, 2.13
sys-devel/automake: 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.5, 1.4_p6, 1.6.3, 1.9.5
sys-devel/binutils: 2.15.92.0.2-r7
sys-devel/libtool: 1.5.16
virtual/os-headers: 2.6.8.1-r2
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="x86"
AUTOCLEAN="yes"
CFLAGS="-O3 -march=pentium4 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /usr/kde/2/share/config /usr/kde/3.4/env /usr/kde/3.4/share/config /usr/kde/3.4/shutdown /usr/kde/3/share/config /usr/lib/X11/xkb /usr/share/config /var/qmail/control"
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/gconf /etc/terminfo /etc/env.d"
CXXFLAGS="-O3 -march=pentium4 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
DISTDIR="/usr/portage/distfiles"
FEATURES="autoaddcvs autoconfig ccache distcc distlocks sandbox sfperms strict"
GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://distfiles.gentoo.org http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo"
MAKEOPTS="-j8"
PKGDIR="/usr/portage/packages"
PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
SYNC="rsync://Antares/portage"
USE="x86 X alsa apm arts berkdb bitmap-fonts cdr crypt cups dvd emboss encode fam foomaticdb gdbm gif gtk2 imlib java jpeg junit kde kdeenablefinal libg++ libwww mad mikmod mmx mp3 mpeg ncurses nls nptl ogg oggvorbis opengl oss pam pdflib perl pic png postgres ppds python qt quicktime readline sdl spell sse sse2 ssl svga tcpd tiff truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts vorbis xine xml2 xmms xv zlib userland_GNU kernel_linux elibc_glibc"
Unset: ASFLAGS, CBUILD, CTARGET, LANG, LC_ALL, LDFLAGS, LINGUAS, PORTDIR_OVERLAY
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pussi
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:22 am Post subject: |
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Just a few more packages that compile but don't work properly with --as-needed:
sys-libs/db-4.2.52_p2 (sportage didn't compile until i re-emerged db without --as-needed)
x11-misc/xvidcap-1.1.3-r1 (fails to start) |
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bollucks
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| virtual wrote: | Hi,
Here is a list of KDE 3.4.0 apps. I can confirm work, and the speedup is significant, the binarys (on hd) are also smaller. |
You're funny. KDE 3.4.0+ uses --as-needed by default. |
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virtual
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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No KDE 3.4.0 does NOT use --as-needed by default.
if it did I would not notice any difference.
For example konsole links to 67 libs without as-needed (default) and 30 libs when supplied as described in this thread.
Just try it.
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bollucks
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| Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 4:47 am Post subject: |
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I saw a stream of --as-needed go by without me setting it when I just built it.
Forget it I shouldn't waste my time arguing over something like this.
ldd /usr/bin/konsole | wc -l
41
/me shrugs |
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rhill
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| Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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gtk-engines-2.6.3 can't be compiled with --as-needed since it prevents configure from detecting there's a version of GTK+ greater than 1.2.9 on the system.
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racoontje
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| Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--sort-common -s -Wl,--as-needed"
Would that work? Thats just my current LDFLAGS + " -Wl,--as-needed" |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| racoontje wrote: | LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--sort-common -s -Wl,--as-needed"
Would that work? Thats just my current LDFLAGS + " -Wl,--as-needed" |
Yes that will work, it is almost the same as mine. 
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 3:13 am Post subject: |
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add torsmo to the dies while linking list.
edit: and adesklets...
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:04 am Post subject: Gnome-light |
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Can i emerge the whole gnome-light with --as-needed enabled??
cheers =D |
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infirit
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:54 am Post subject: Re: Gnome-light |
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| Dark_Cloud wrote: | Can i emerge the whole gnome-light with --as-needed enabled??
cheers =D |
emerge -pv will show all packages that will be built, if one is in the list that does not work.... 
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:59 am Post subject: |
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| dirtyepic wrote: | add torsmo to the dies while linking list.
edit: and adesklets... |
| dirtyepic wrote: | | gtk-engines-2.6.3 can't be compiled with --as-needed since it prevents configure from detecting there's a version of GTK+ greater than 1.2.9 on the system. |
| pussi wrote: | Just a few more packages that compile but don't work properly with --as-needed:
sys-libs/db-4.2.52_p2 (sportage didn't compile until i re-emerged db without --as-needed)
x11-misc/xvidcap-1.1.3-r1 (fails to start) |
Added to the list of not working apps. Thanks 
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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--as-needed smells like trouble to me.
It should be supported with USE flags, so at least we could have an easy way to document/remember which packages were built with --as-needed. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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| mbello wrote: | --as-needed smells like trouble to me.
It should be supported with USE flags, so at least we could have an easy way to document/remember which packages were built with --as-needed. |
The list in this thread is as official is it will get. Gentoo will not support --as-needed or filtering by useflag and/or in the ebuild. This is a real community "hope my gentoo doesn't blow up" thing 
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 3:02 am Post subject: |
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| bollucks wrote: | | virtual wrote: | Hi,
Here is a list of KDE 3.4.0 apps. I can confirm work, and the speedup is significant, the binarys (on hd) are also smaller. |
You're funny. KDE 3.4.0+ uses --as-needed by default. |
where is this 'KDE uses --as-needed by default' coming from. I have seen it few times here, but I don't see it in my logs. Do you mean KDE devs have carefully chosen the link lines and done some other voodoo to avoid this issue altogether? |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| devsk wrote: | | bollucks wrote: | | virtual wrote: | Hi,
Here is a list of KDE 3.4.0 apps. I can confirm work, and the speedup is significant, the binarys (on hd) are also smaller. |
You're funny. KDE 3.4.0+ uses --as-needed by default. |
where is this 'KDE uses --as-needed by default' coming from. I have seen it few times here, but I don't see it in my logs. Do you mean KDE devs have carefully chosen the link lines and done some other voodoo to avoid this issue altogether? |
Read about it from the kde developers and I saw it scroll by while building it manually.
Check this out from my unmodified kde source:
[kde-3.4.1]$ grep -R "as-needed" * | wc -l
4970
eg looking in my arts source first few hits come up:
arts-1.4.1/admin/acinclude.m4.in:dnl Check if the linker supports --enable-new-dtags and --as-needed
arts-1.4.1/admin/acinclude.m4.in: KDE_CHECK_COMPILER_FLAG([Wl,--as-needed],
arts-1.4.1/admin/acinclude.m4.in: [LDFLAGS_AS_NEEDED="-Wl,--as-needed"],) |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| that's bizzare. I don't see that in my logs at all. Are using some modified abuilds? I just compiled kdelibs/kdebase with that flag and immd. noticed what speed I have been missing. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| devsk wrote: | | that's bizzare. I don't see that in my logs at all. Are using some modified abuilds? I just compiled kdelibs/kdebase with that flag and immd. noticed what speed I have been missing. |
As my post said - unmodified kde 3.4.1 source. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| mbello wrote: | --as-needed smells like trouble to me.
It should be supported with USE flags, so at least we could have an easy way to document/remember which packages were built with --as-needed. |
Totally agree with you. I'm only emerging a handful of packages with this flag, and changing my LDFLAGS back to the original. LDFLAGS are a good way to break the system, so be careful people. A useflag would be great, but I don't Gentoo devs would support it anytime soon.
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devsk
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| bollucks wrote: | | devsk wrote: | | that's bizzare. I don't see that in my logs at all. Are using some modified abuilds? I just compiled kdelibs/kdebase with that flag and immd. noticed what speed I have been missing. |
As my post said - unmodified kde 3.4.1 source. |
with --enable-new_ldflags passed to configure which portage doesn't. it isn't default. dude? |
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bollucks
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| devsk wrote: | | bollucks wrote: | | devsk wrote: | | that's bizzare. I don't see that in my logs at all. Are using some modified abuilds? I just compiled kdelibs/kdebase with that flag and immd. noticed what speed I have been missing. |
As my post said - unmodified kde 3.4.1 source. |
with --enable-new_ldflags passed to configure which portage doesn't. dude? |
Enable new ldflags lets it selectively choose when to add --as-needed which is safer than passing it yourself. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| bollucks wrote: | | devsk wrote: | | bollucks wrote: | | devsk wrote: | | that's bizzare. I don't see that in my logs at all. Are using some modified abuilds? I just compiled kdelibs/kdebase with that flag and immd. noticed what speed I have been missing. |
As my post said - unmodified kde 3.4.1 source. |
with --enable-new_ldflags passed to configure which portage doesn't. dude? |
Enable new ldflags lets it selectively choose when to add --as-needed which is safer than passing it yourself. |
Do you know the logic behind --enable-new_ldflags? How does it know when to apply --as-needed for example? THanks.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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when passed enable-new_ldflags, configure just checks if --as-needed works and if it does then it just assigns the variable LDFLAGS_AS_NEEDED="-Wl,--as-needed", which Makefiles have the liberty of using. Currently most kde Makefile's do. If a component finds that it doesn't work for them, they don't put it on the specific link line. Its manual in that sense.
one more thing is configure arg is --enable-new_ldflags and NOT --enable-new-ldflags as mentioned by the ./configure --help. bollucks knew about it but never shared it...that's a shame. |
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