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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:41 am    Post subject: We need an ignore option! Reply with quote

Seriously, it annoys me when the moderators come in here and lock a thread, and also when they say that we can't call someone an idiot... We should have an ignore function so that we can choose for ourselves who we listen to, instead of having that decision made for us. With an option for each member to ignore other forum members we can do the filtering ourselves. If someone is too much of a sissy to put up with being called an idiot, then he could just click ignore by the user & ignore them.

Would this kind of thing be hard to implement?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:44 am    Post subject: Re: We need an ignore option! Reply with quote

Luineancaion wrote:
Seriously, it annoys me when the moderators come in here and lock a thread, and also when they say that we can't call someone an idiot... We should have an ignore function so that we can choose for ourselves who we listen to, instead of having that decision made for us. With an option for each member to ignore other forum members we can do the filtering ourselves. If someone is too much of a sissy to put up with being called an idiot, then he could just click ignore by the user & ignore them.

Would this kind of thing be hard to implement?


Guidlines say no personal abuse.....
problem is some people take this as an immunity to act like idiots in the knowledge they can't be called one!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea, I agree with those guidelines, and I think I have only ever once called someone an idiot here... it is just being a nice person.

But I think an ignore function would be good, sure the moderators do a good job, but if there is no reason we can't do the moderatoring ourselves for ourselves then I think that would be a better option.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't that cause occasional... disconuity? It's been said a million times that thick skin is needed for some OTW moments.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mocnicom wrote:
Wouldn't that cause occasional... disconuity? It's been said a million times that thick skin is needed for some OTW moments.


Doubt it would cause much discontinuity... it's not like people don't already ignore peoples stupid posts and just continue on with what was being said before. I'm guessing people would only ignore complete twats... & it'd be on a case by case thing... we've already had some old otw guys banned because a few people didn't like them, while a large amount did... ignore would have helped there.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That would be a little crazy if you forget who you ignore and theres all these posts missing and stuff. If you were going to do anything, look into a system like on Slashdot where comments can be voted up or down and you can choose at which level to display.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

acasto wrote:
That would be a little crazy if you forget who you ignore and theres all these posts missing and stuff. If you were going to do anything, look into a system like on Slashdot where comments can be voted up or down and you can choose at which level to display.


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Each person would have a little list of people they've ignored that they could take off the list of course.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having an ignore function is something that's not connected to personal attacks, as they are outlawed independently on the existence of such a function - unless you want to ignore me posting about people being warned/banned for namecalling.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Umm don't think I follow what you're saying? If there are two people that have got a problem with each other, and one calls the other names or makes stupid comments, then that person could just ignore the other person.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luineancaion wrote:
Umm don't think I follow what you're saying? If there are two people that have got a problem with each other, and one calls the other names or makes stupid comments, then that person could just ignore the other person.


You can do that without any technological mumbo-jumbo....


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The point is that we don't want these forums to degrade into a screaming and name calling fest. Even if you are able to ignore a person either by technological means or by personal restraint, everyone can't, or won't. By not enforcing certain rules, human nature and forum history show us it will happen.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh hmm okay... so I guess it's the old, a few people ruining it for everyone kind of thing? Damn... ohwell.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, things are a bit more complicated. Let's assume user A calls user B a stupid asshole. User B replies fucking freak, clicks ignore. User A reads the reply, clicks ignore, too. Those two guys have had their beef and don't see each other's posts never again. Good.
But: User C, D, E and everyone else ever visiting this thread will see "stupid asshole" and "fucking freak". They will also see that this is the Gentoo discussion forums and that appearently no one cares about personal insults. They will by chance just turn around and never come back, thanks to User A and B, who are still around and ignored by 50% of the people. That's why i rather would warn and ban A and B instead of having them ruin Gentoo's credibility.

edit: Aaaargh, kallamej beat me.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

amne wrote:
No, things are a bit more complicated. Let's assume user A calls user B a stupid asshole. User B replies fucking freak, clicks ignore. User A reads the reply, clicks ignore, too. Those two guys have had their beef and don't see each other's posts never again. Good.
But: User C, D, E and everyone else ever visiting this thread will see "stupid asshole" and "fucking freak". They will also see that this is the Gentoo discussion forums and that appearently no one cares about personal insults. They will by chance just turn around and never come back, thanks to User A and B, who are still around and ignored by 50% of the people. That's why i rather would warn and ban A and B instead of having them ruin Gentoo's credibility.

edit: Aaaargh, kallamej beat me.


Not to mention you then gotta find all the new accounts user A and user B create!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So this has been tried and things did degenerate?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gowator wrote:

Not to mention you then gotta find all the new accounts user A and user B create!

Yeah, that happens, too. Still, there is a difference between people sneaking back in and allowing namecalling officially because we have some ignore funtion.

Luineancaion wrote:
So this has been tried and things did degenerate?

No, we haven't tried and we won't. We have a constant level of namecalling around here and we're keeping it low. I don't think it would decrease if we suddenly would no longer intervene and warn/ban people who do it.

If you want a slightly less moderated forum, you might take a look at forums.realotw.org, the folks over there are mostly nice and quite a lot of known faces.

PS: Moved from OTW.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 6:04 pm    Post subject: Re: We need an ignore option! Reply with quote

Luineancaion wrote:
we can't call someone an idiot
That we don't allow users to reply with such eloquent retorts as "STFU and RTFM idiot" is a part of why the Gentoo forums are considered very good. The ignore feature may be handy, but if you must call someone an idiot, don't do it here.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In case anyone is wondering for their own phpbb boards, yes, there are mods out there that allow you to implement things like a "friends list" and/or an "ignore list".

No, I'm not saying that we're going to use them here on the Gentoo Forums. pjp is absolutely right in the post just previous to this one. I'm only posting to dissuade any persistant thoughts that technology would be a limiting factor.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me get this right....

So, because an ignore feature is implemented means that a forum can no longer be moderated? I don't get it.

It's not the name callers I want to ignore.....
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

when i think somebody is an idiot, i don't read their posts.

see, the ignore() function works!

IMHO the best ignore filter resides between the chair and the keyboard. use it.
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob P wrote:
when i think somebody is an idiot, i don't read their posts.

see, the ignore() function works!

IMHO the best ignore filter resides between the chair and the keyboard. use it.


Ding ding ding, we have a winner! Ignoring is easy to do. If someone annoys you, stop reading their posts. Sorted. We still have to keep a bare minimum of civility going around here, though, for those pesky C, D and E people ;)
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

we implemented this on a board i used to moderate to compensate for the no-bans policy we had. it worked quite well technically: rather than a person's post being completely missing it was replaced with a post "box" one column high that said "You have chosen to ignore posts from this account. Click here to display this post..."

it didn't work so well in practice though, since everyone else would reply to the idiot in question, often quoting their post. :roll: :P
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dirtyepic wrote:
it didn't work so well in practice though, since everyone else would reply to the idiot in question, often quoting their post. :roll: :P

Simply ignore the people that do the quoting ;)
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gherald wrote:
dirtyepic wrote:
it didn't work so well in practice though, since everyone else would reply to the idiot in question, often quoting their post. :roll: :P

Simply ignore the people that do the quoting ;)



in fact, just ignore _everybody_ and then spend the rest of the time talking to yourself.
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They do have an ignore function. It is called "unsubscribe"
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