Will you personally use GRP?

noff · Last edited by noff on Tue Jan 21, 2003 7:05 am; edited 1 time in total

I like the idea of GRP and I think it is a good idea to make the install quicker, however will you use it? I know if I was putting Gentoo on someone else's computer I would use it, but for my own I want to go from stage 1, because it is more fun.

So this question is mainly for your personal computer.

EDIT: Got rid of double [POLL]
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taskara · Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2003 6:47 am Post subject:

I think I will only use it if a program like mozilla or openoffice just won't compile...
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li1_getoo · l33t Joined: 20 Oct 2002 Posts: 661 Location: Queens , NY

grp is a huge improvement for people that dont have cable

in my case i love alt- install

S_aIN_t · Guru Joined: 11 May 2002 Posts: 488 Location: Ottawa

it would be good if a had a whole bunch of systems that i wanted to install Gentoo on quickly.. on my own system it doesn't really matter to me so much ..

sometimes if you cannot install the app it is easier to throw the binary in and use it. it happened to me a couple of time with FreeBSD..

other than that.. i will continue compiling till I am.. well.. untill something happens to me.

charlieg · Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2003 10:09 am Post subject:

The poll isn't varied enough.

Will I use GRP at home? No, I'll stick to compiling. But, at work, where I may be installing Gentoo on 10 or more machines, it'll be GRP all the way baby.
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museX · n00b Joined: 29 Nov 2002 Posts: 7

i think i will only use GRP for big softs like openoffice or mozilla...

DuF · Advocate Joined: 09 Dec 2002 Posts: 2687 Location: Paris

I think that next time I will use GRP also for applications like OpenOffice, KDE...

noff · Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2003 1:31 pm Post subject:

aardvark · Guru Joined: 30 Jun 2002 Posts: 576

If GRP has up to date and fast KDE packages I might use it in the future! (I use the KDE 3.1 RC6 now

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I tried once and found that although I had the athlon ISO , the GRP-Packages were compiled with -march=i686 (at least that it what I derived from /var/db/portage ... )
Furthermore there where some (at least one) ebuilds missing from portage that it needed (At least it complained back then, dunno if it is still an issue), but I guess it is still a bit experimental and I do believe it will be very useful once it ripens. It would be ideal for building systems for those people I attempt to convert to Linux and have use Gentoo

. The install will then be less tedious and long for these mostly computer USERS (They want it to work and do not want to spend much time setting it up and configuring it).

Just my two florins

phunkphorce · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 22 Nov 2002 Posts: 145

What can be seen after some posts is that people don't want to spend countless hours compiling KDE, Mozilla, the Java VM and OpenOffice (just to mention some of the most used and heaviest applications) I think the GRP is a nice addition to an already nice distro

, and the good thing is that users won't be forced to use either one or the other, but simply use what best suits their needs at any given moment while keeping all the other features of Gentoo (easy compilation from source is not the only and most important feature of Gentoo)
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eryvile · Apprentice Joined: 14 Aug 2002 Posts: 234 Location: europe

Right now, I still prefer going the long way, just like on the old p133 I was doing last week :wink:

. To me, although I've done a stage 1 install more than ten times now, it is still some sort of event and I like that special feeling when rebooting for the first time and everything comes up the way it is supposed to be, knowing that everything was made for that particular box just the way I wanted it to be made

But I have to agree with charlieg

green sun · Guru Joined: 04 Nov 2002 Posts: 325 Location: Wista, MA

gotta agree with eryvile.. its still a major event when I start with stage 1... :-)

then again, I've never been in a big rush for Gentoo to get installed... if I had a deadline I would think about it...

gsfgf · Veteran Joined: 08 May 2002 Posts: 1266

i *heart* the GRP.
I use it on my shitty K6 laptops. Saves a lot of trouble.

maw · Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2003 2:13 am Post subject:

I will use it for base installs if I'm in a hurry... if I ever get a laptop, that'll probably get the full stage1 compilation install, unless I get it and need to be able to use it quickly, in which case it'll get a GRP install until such time as I can start optimising stuff. Although since I don't use very fancy optimisation flags beyond setting -march appropriately, that's probably pointless... there's just something very satisfying about compiling everything onesself!
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heijs · Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2003 5:50 pm Post subject:

I'll stick to compiling too. Even on my laptop. I compile everything at night, so I don't waste any time anyway :wink:

ebrostig · Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2003 10:33 pm Post subject:

I guess a good answer might be: "It depends on the PC"
If I'm installing on my old 400Mhz, yeah, I may go for GRp. But on my 2.4Ghz P4, nope, I'm compiling everything from scratch using a Stage 1 tarball.

The faster the machine, the more inclined I am to use source only.

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crichards · n00b Joined: 01 Jan 2003 Posts: 32

My machine is fast, but I would use GRP if I didn't already have a huge stockpile of up-to-date source tarballs. I've got a 56k.
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Goalie_Ca · Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2003 6:48 am Post subject:

GRP is cool for apps like open office. Who the hell wants to compile 130 meg of gzipped source for an office app that may not compile when using some of the better flags

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zawze · n00b Joined: 24 Oct 2002 Posts: 17 Location: Tau, Norway

I always install Gentoo from stage1, but I usually use the mozilla and Xfree86 GRP packages. This is so that I can use X and mozilla immediately after bootup. When X is up I compile the newest versions of mozilla and Xfree. So I basicly use GRP so that I can use my system right after boot.

squanto · Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 12:37 am Post subject:

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Mitchybums · n00b Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 68 Location: iowa

it works fine, but I only use it for temp fix.
during install I wont, but when I have a f*cked up Xfree, it's quite handy to install the GRP version to get you backup and going, and then at night, start the emerge for the new version again.
(had to use that trick 4 times before I had it working right)
other then that. It's a quick way to see if you like it, and try it, and then if so, remove it, and compile it from scratch.
I just wish there was also an easy way to remove the GRP install.
(HINT !)

bccomm · n00b Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Posts: 18 Location: Box Elder, SD

Even on my little PIII 500Mhz, It's not awfully slow, though on my test box I use Caldera because it would take forever to bootstrap, build the system, build some nice-to-have things, etc...But right now all the stuff on my box has been built on it. (Except non-free software)

sundiver2k · Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 12:05 am Post subject:

In my experience, I didn't have much success using the GRP packages. I tried to install KDE and Mozilla. KDE just didn't work. I didn't waste a lot of time trying to figure out why. I just emerged KDE and waited a day+ for that to complete. Maybe I did somehing wrong initially. I don't know. Anyway, I would love to use the GRP packages for the big stuff. I guess I'm just impatient.

AngusYoung · Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 2:03 am Post subject:

I personally wouldn't use GRP for myself, but, I would certainly use it when setting up a system for someone.
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