ANN: split kde ebuilds

deyab · n00b Joined: 23 Jun 2004 Posts: 40

When would the KDE 3.4 on x86 be marked stable in portage? Any ideas, anyone?
Thanks!

Edit
Never mind, see a thread here http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-335187.html

Boblenain · n00b Joined: 02 Nov 2004 Posts: 20

Thx a lot for KDE split ebuild, now it's really speed and fun to have only what i want

bur · Apprentice Joined: 20 Feb 2004 Posts: 229

I wanted to say thanks for the split builds, now Gentoo did become even better. I did only use a fraction of all the programs the old meta-builds did install and now have a really clean, fast and small KDE. Just Konqueror, Firefox, konsole, kedit and Gaim.

So far everything is very stable, I'm compiling 3.4.1-r2 currently. BTW, I couldn't find a changelog regarding that at kde.org, is there any?

mOjO_420 · Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 5:52 pm Post subject: fast kde?

hi guys.. i see a lot of you talking about using the split builds to make a very fast KDE... can anyone elaborate on specifically which things to leave out or point me to some docs? (currently about to upgrade to 3.4.1 split ebuilds from 3.3.2) i tend to like having lots of apps installed but i need to find some middle ground.. i'm recently becoming quite distraught with Gentoo because I slapped in the latest knoppix cd and KDE ran faster and more responsive off of knoppix than off of my own install... (dont point me to the usual "check your DMA setting on the hdd type docs please, i think i've covered all those and even prelinking, NPTL, etc)... I run this Gentoo install on my laptop so the compile time really costs me... Laptops arent really the ideal platform for gentoo of course because the compiling is so much work on the laptop but i just love portage.. so few other distros have such a fabulous package system and SO MANY apps... i love being on the bleeding edge... but i digress... i'm ticked... I am playing with Kubuntu on a slower desktop sytem and even that is faster than my Gentoo install... kinda leaves me with this "i did all that compiling for WHAT?!" feeling... i want the best of all worlds!! the speed of debian and the flexibility of portage! HELP!

;-)

TIA,
mOjO
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bur · Apprentice Joined: 20 Feb 2004 Posts: 229

You should readthis thread. There are some commonly used apps listed.

I only did emerge'kdebase-starkde', 'kicker', 'konqueror', 'kcontrol', 'kioslaves', 'konsole' and 'kedit'. That way you have a working KDE system with a simple text editor and a console. I don't need more. Maybe you should just start with those and then everytime you feel like you miss something in KDE emerge what's needed. That way you only have what you really need and also keep initial compilation time as low as possible.

Strapahuulia

Hi there,

yesterday, I finally decided to upgrade to KDE 3.4 and, all in all, it was a lot easier than I thought. I can finally share the appreciation of the new split ebuilds which allowed me to install some chunks (metapackage) of KDE as a whole, while only installing a few applications from others.

Now I'm quite happy using my customized KDE 3.4, but there are some things which keep me wondering: I thought KDE 3.4 was supposed to start faster than the old version (at least a lot of people reported that), even more when some components are left out. But on the oppisite, mine seems to take even longer to start up than the older version. Is there something I can do about that? It seems to take especially long for the part where it says its initializing devices...

Another thing that's bugging me is the fact that since the upgrade, the password input dialog of kwallet keeps popping up like every 15 minutes for no obvious reason. The only program I've got running that could be using it is Kopete (which by the way seems to have lost the feature to but selected people on a visibility list so you are visible for them even in invisible mode).

Any ideas?

firephoto · Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 6:49 pm Post subject:

I haven't nailed it down to what exactly it is but this "slow down" happens to me only on the laptop and after some rm'n here and there (~/.kde/<tmp-folders> )it's back to normal when it starts. I don't notice this on this system but I don't start and stop X very often here unless I completely reboot. I think it's either udev, hal/dbus or zeroconf related though.
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Moebius · Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 6:39 pm Post subject: Spilt KDE-3.4.1 rocks!

Thank you, developers! The splitting of KDE is great!
Thats why I prefer Gentoo: Everything is highly customable
Thanks
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Damjan S. Vujnovic · n00b Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posts: 4

I see that people are upgrading to KDE 3.4.2, but no one seem to notice (as far as I can see) that some ebuilds are missing, for example:

kde-base/kdialog
kde-base/libkmime
kde-base/kdeaddons-docs-konq-plugins
kde-base/kuickshow
kde-base/ksnapshot
kde-base/kmenuedit
kde-base/kdesu
kde-base/kcminit
kde-base/kreadconfig
kde-base/ksmserver

All that I can think of is that thay are unchanged since 3.4.1 - any other thoughts about that?

Regards,
Damjan S. Vujnovic

eltino · n00b Joined: 29 Apr 2005 Posts: 44 Location: Martinique

that's actually the whole point of having split ebuilds, isn't it?

jason245 · n00b Joined: 30 May 2003 Posts: 8

jlpence · n00b Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 50 Location: Kansas, USA

I'm having trouble just unmasking the dang thing.

hhaamu · Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:19 pm Post subject:

wkethman · n00b Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Posts: 71

i have been working all day on this and want to explain the problem thoroughly
hardware:
x2 3800
2 gig ram
SATA 160 gb
asus a8n sli premium
dvd burner

software
i installed x86 stage 3 and i used genkernel after multiple unsuccessful attempts at the grub bootloader when i did manual configuration of the kernel. i put -march=k8 and i got an error while emerging that said i didnt use the right one so i put it back to -march=athlon-xp which has worked without errors regarding. i got the bootloader to work after installing using genkernel and am able to sign in to root so my next move was to install kde. i followed the instructions and put the use variables qt and kde in and then tried to emerge kdebase-startkde and it got to the 6th package and i get the following error:

../../lib/GL/glx/glapi_x86.5:29:22:assyntax.h:No such file or directory
../../lib/GL/glx/glapi_x86.5:30:26:glapioffsets.h:No such file or directory
Make[5]:***[../../lib/GL/glx/glapi_x86.o]Error1

There are more errors that all correspond to the above so i left them out because these were the VERY first ones

Error:x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r4 failed
Functions build, line 973, Exit code 2
make World failed

I really want to fix this because I am sick of these errors
Thanks guys

wkethman · n00b Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Posts: 71

i have been working all day on this and want to explain the problem thoroughly
hardware:
x2 3800
2 gig ram
SATA 160 gb
asus a8n sli premium
dvd burner

software
i installed x86 stage 3 and i used genkernel after multiple unsuccessful attempts at the grub bootloader when i did manual configuration of the kernel. i put -march=k8 and i got an error while emerging that said i didnt use the right one so i put it back to -march=athlon-xp which has worked without errors regarding. i got the bootloader to work after installing using genkernel and am able to sign in to root so my next move was to install kde. i followed the instructions and put the use variables qt and kde in and then tried to emerge kdebase-startkde and it got to the 6th package and i get the following error:

../../lib/GL/glx/glapi_x86.5:29:22:assyntax.h:No such file or directory
../../lib/GL/glx/glapi_x86.5:30:26:glapioffsets.h:No such file or directory
Make[5]:***[../../lib/GL/glx/glapi_x86.o]Error1

There are more errors that all correspond to the above so i left them out because these were the VERY first ones

Error:x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r4 failed
Functions build, line 973, Exit code 2
make World failed

I really want to fix this because I am sick of these errors
Thanks guys

KKtm · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 03 Oct 2005 Posts: 119

Maybe you should try with USE="-kdeenablefinal". I heard this fixes some problems. (Just guessing)

I got also a little problem. I have had kde 3.5-beta2 installed as a monolithic ebuild until yesterday. Then I switched to the split ebuilds and have one little questions: how do I get the options "Shutdown" and "Restart" back? I only have "Logout" left... In the properties of the session manager these two buttons are marked as enabled. (Sorry if any of the used terms is not correct. I have to translate them from german, but I think you should be able to get, what I'm talking about

)

troycarpenter · n00b Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 25

Well, hopefully people who read the last pages of a thread will find this and also find it useful. I don't pretend this the the best method, but here goes:

I switched from the monolithic ebuilds to split ebuilds during the 3.5.0 RC1 fiasco where there are no monolithic ebuilds (I've been wanting to do this anyway, and was just helped along the way).

The tools I used included kuroo (http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=kuroo), and the "dep" script mentioned earlier in this thread (http://home.jesus.ox.ac.uk/~ecatmur/my-bin/dep). Oh yeah, I used "epm" as well.

First, I used epm to see what kde monolithic builds I had and unmerged those (I did this on one PC without quitting my current KDE session, and on another I quit totally out of KDE before doing this). I then emerged the meta for each kde sub-package (i.e. I did not emerge kde-meta).

Once all the KDE packages were done, I logged back into KDE ran kuroo and unmerged all the individual ebuilds I did not want. Then, while looking at the world file in kuroo, there is a button that says "Export world file", which recreates your world file with ALL installed packages. (I'm sure there is a quick script way to do that). With the new world file in place, I quit kuroo.

I then unmerged all the meta ebuilds. This does NOT unmerge the individual ebuilds (thankfully...but I had to do it because an update on the world file wanted to reinstall all the unmerged packages!). A quick command like this took care of it:
>emerge -C `epm -qa | grep meta`

I checked the world file to be sure the *-meta ebuilds were really gone, then ran the dep script:
>dep -aw

That removed all the duplicate files in my world file, based on dependencies.

Verify and fix the new world file:
>emaint --check world

Once that was done, I ran a new "emerge -auvD world".

Oh, and don't forget a last "revdep-rebuild" just to be safe.

It's a bit of work, but I hope it helps.

Karl-Franz · Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:41 am Post subject:

Is there an easy way to resolve the dependacy issues where all my packages want to install monolithic kde? There is no virtual/kde thing, I mean it works for xorg-x11 and xorg-server.

derelm · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 26 Nov 2002 Posts: 95

i am sorry if what i will say has already been discussed.
i wonder for example why there is no ark-3.4.3 ebuild. sure you will say: ark hasn't been changed between the releases (which is wrong http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/3_4_3/kdeutils.txt )
another thing i wonder, if kdelibs or kdebase are changed, and maybe some of ther header files aswell, then you won't get the fixes in your "old" ark version (just for example) because it doesn't get compiled against the new headers/files, right?
could someone please comment on my concerns?
thanks in advance
derewlm