Gentoo Forums
Gentoo Forums
Gentoo Forums
Quick Search: in
Mac mini
View unanswered posts
View posts from last 24 hours

Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next  
Reply to topic    Gentoo Forums Forum Index Off the Wall
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
xCodexWarriorx
n00b
n00b


Joined: 12 Jan 2005
Posts: 27

PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

feliperal wrote:
The memory seems to be a PC2700 (DDR333) chip. You can buy a 1gb stick off of pricewatch for a little above $100 for generic OEM ram.


Just a little note to anyone who is considering doing this....OSX is really flaky when it comes to generic RAM. See if the brand you're gonna buy has been used with OSX before, and check it...it's not so much of a problem anymore, but it used to be back in the OS9-OSX transition days.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
paranode
l33t
l33t


Joined: 06 Mar 2003
Posts: 679
Location: Texas

PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is your warranty preserved when you do this?
_________________
Meh.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
xCodexWarriorx
n00b
n00b


Joined: 12 Jan 2005
Posts: 27

PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

paranode wrote:
Is your warranty preserved when you do this?


Apple's got a pretty lenient policy when it comes to warranties. It essentialy comes down to this: if you didn't break something, it's under warranty.

This sounds really stupid until I explain...

Let's say you crack open your Mini, install RAM, and a month later, your HD dies. It'll get fixed under warranty.

Let's say you crack open your mini, install RAM, and a month later, the computer stops working. It'll get fixed under warranty.

Let's say you crack open your mini, you try to install RAM, but force in in backwards and break your mobo. Apple WON'T fix that under warranty.


So essentially, you should be fine...don't obviously break anything inside the comp when you're poking around, and it's all good.

Anyway, here's the thing: there's been some argument that they've changed the warranty for the mini. I haven't read it, so you may want to look deeper into that, but the above is how almost every warranty for every Mac I've ever bought worked. IANAL, nor warranty writer...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
aethyr
Veteran
Veteran


Joined: 06 Apr 2003
Posts: 1085
Location: NYC

PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xCodexWarriorx wrote:
paranode wrote:
Is your warranty preserved when you do this?


Apple's got a pretty lenient policy when it comes to warranties. It essentialy comes down to this: if you didn't break something, it's under warranty.

Anyway, here's the thing: there's been some argument that they've changed the warranty for the mini. I haven't read it, so you may want to look deeper into that, but the above is how almost every warranty for every Mac I've ever bought worked. IANAL, nor warranty writer...


I think the difference is that in the PowerMacs and iBook/PowerBook, they leave a RAM slot that is easily accessible. For instance, if you look here:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=300406
or here:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86790
or here:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58684

You will see examples of them telling you how to install new RAM yourself. I guess the question is whether that will be something they will have for the new Mini Mac.

[edit] This seems to be the place to go when it comes to fidding around on your Mac:
http://www.info.apple.com/usen/cip/index.html

Unfortunately, they don't have the Mac Mini there yet (I'm guessing because they haven't shipped any units).


Last edited by aethyr on Fri Jan 14, 2005 7:50 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
paranode
l33t
l33t


Joined: 06 Mar 2003
Posts: 679
Location: Texas

PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I wonder how easy it is in that microcase. I assume it should be possible without a great hassle, but who knows.
_________________
Meh.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
vrln
Guru
Guru


Joined: 11 Sep 2004
Posts: 534
Location: Finland

PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anyone know what soundcard the mac mini has? I checked the official specifications and there's no mention whatsoever... Just wondering if the card is supported by the linux kernel
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
porodzila
Guru
Guru


Joined: 22 May 2004
Posts: 307
Location: Moving on up.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apples got their own sound hardware
Keywest/Powemac Sound DMA in the kernel, it works fine.

except one quirk, apples dont have the cable between the cdrom and soundcard, so programs that use that like cdplay dont work.
_________________
ubi primum potero, me hinc subduco.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
enrique
Guru
Guru


Joined: 03 Sep 2002
Posts: 342
Location: Denmark

PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

porodzila wrote:
except one quirk, apples dont have the cable between the cdrom and soundcard, so programs that use that like cdplay dont work.


Thats true, but "digital playback" is possible (or what ever it's called), i.e. using the ATA cable for audio transfer. I use in my x86 box (I lost the cd->soundcard cable), and beep-media-player/xmms works fine. The same goes for my Powerbook G4.
_________________
Kind regards, enrique
Workstation,HTPC,Powerbook
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ebrostig
Bodhisattva
Bodhisattva


Joined: 20 Jul 2002
Posts: 3152
Location: Orlando, Fl

PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kai Hvatum wrote:
ebrostig wrote:
One more time that Apple is not getting any money from me.

Useless box..

Erik


It may very well be useless to you, but that doesn't mean it's useless to everyone. Thanks for the constructive comment!


A box that you pay $500 for and have those lowend specs is only beeing hyped by the press for one single reason and one reason only: Apple.

When you look at the specs you really understand how crappy this box is, But since it is made by Apple, it gets godlike status immediatly despite it's lowend specs.

Erik
_________________
'Yes, Firefox is indeed greater than women. Can women block pops up for you? No. Can Firefox show you naked women? Yes.'
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Duck-Billed Platypus
Guru
Guru


Joined: 30 Jun 2003
Posts: 576
Location: Los Angeles, California, United States of America

PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

how are they lowend?
_________________
Dentists are evil.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
stonent
Veteran
Veteran


Joined: 07 Aug 2003
Posts: 1139
Location: Texas

PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to see this thing completely disassembled.
_________________
Inspiron 4100 & Sun UltraAXe
Portage on Solaris|Dell Laptop Hacks
The way you feel about organized religion is the same way I feel about organized socialism.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
msgyrd
n00b
n00b


Joined: 15 Jan 2005
Posts: 23
Location: Rolla, MO

PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are lowend for the technology Apple has available right now, but for the price it's economical. The mini outperforms and has greater specs than any laptop Apple makes, costs almost half that of the lowend iBooks, and is almost silent (their laptops are only silent when not under heavy CPU or GPU use). I agree that the mac mini is a lowend box, but it is properly priced for being lowend. I think Apple is on target with their expectations of usage for the mini, and who they expect to purchase one. Obviously this will not be a great box for performance, but I bet that it will get truckloads of people who have never owned an Apple computer to try one out.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
stonent
Veteran
Veteran


Joined: 07 Aug 2003
Posts: 1139
Location: Texas

PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is comparably priced to a DIY Mini-itx system.
_________________
Inspiron 4100 & Sun UltraAXe
Portage on Solaris|Dell Laptop Hacks
The way you feel about organized religion is the same way I feel about organized socialism.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Baryonic Being
Tux's lil' helper
Tux's lil' helper


Joined: 27 Apr 2004
Posts: 93
Location: Earth

PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has always been my understanding that OS X and Linux are so less bloated than Windows and Windows software that they simply never need more powerful hardware. A Dell PC package nowadays might come with a 3GHz processor, 80Gb hard drive and so on, but you'll probably need it if you're going to pile on the Windows stuff.

For a non-gamer, I think the Mac Mini would be more than adequate.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Kai Hvatum
Tux's lil' helper
Tux's lil' helper


Joined: 04 Feb 2004
Posts: 93
Location: Traveling around the US

PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ebrostig wrote:
Kai Hvatum wrote:
ebrostig wrote:
One more time that Apple is not getting any money from me.

Useless box..

Erik


It may very well be useless to you, but that doesn't mean it's useless to everyone. Thanks for the constructive comment!


A box that you pay $500 for and have those lowend specs is only beeing hyped by the press for one single reason and one reason only: Apple.

When you look at the specs you really understand how crappy this box is, But since it is made by Apple, it gets godlike status immediatly despite it's lowend specs.

Erik


No, it gets godlike status because it:

1. Actually has a real video card supported with open source drivers.
2. Runs OSX, a stable user frieldly POSIX/Bluetooth compliant OS with graphical features that won't be stable in Linux for a year and not in windows until 2009 or so.
3. It's just as fast for every day use as a comperably priced PC.

And all of this in a sleek good looking case smaller than any PC. That's why we love it. Also remember, No one on here is praising iMacs or eMacs because they really do suck for the most part. The iMac Mini rules. Period.
_________________
Still using Gentoo, just too busy for forums these days.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
truekaiser
l33t
l33t


Joined: 05 Mar 2004
Posts: 664

PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ebrostig wrote:
Kai Hvatum wrote:
ebrostig wrote:
One more time that Apple is not getting any money from me.

Useless box..

Erik


It may very well be useless to you, but that doesn't mean it's useless to everyone. Thanks for the constructive comment!


A box that you pay $500 for and have those lowend specs is only beeing hyped by the press for one single reason and one reason only: Apple.

When you look at the specs you really understand how crappy this box is, But since it is made by Apple, it gets godlike status immediatly despite it's lowend specs.

Erik


yea. i almost got pm spamed by apple fanboyz(intentional) when i basicly told them joe blow cares nothing about a computer other then price.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ian!
Bodhisattva
Bodhisattva


Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Posts: 3827
Location: Essen, Germany

PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ebrostig wrote:
A box that you pay $500 for and have those lowend specs is only beeing hyped by the press for one single reason and one reason only: Apple.

When you look at the specs you really understand how crappy this box is, But since it is made by Apple, it gets godlike status immediatly despite it's lowend specs.

Well.. that's your opinion. In my opinion it's a really cute box worth the bucks.
_________________
"To have a successful open source project, you need to be at least somewhat successful at getting along with people." -- Daniel Robbins
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Chickpea
l33t
l33t


Joined: 03 Jun 2002
Posts: 846
Location: Vancouver WA

PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ian! wrote:
ebrostig wrote:
A box that you pay $500 for and have those lowend specs is only beeing hyped by the press for one single reason and one reason only: Apple.

When you look at the specs you really understand how crappy this box is, But since it is made by Apple, it gets godlike status immediatly despite it's lowend specs.

Well.. that's your opinion. In my opinion it's a really cute box worth the bucks.


I tend to agree. I plan on getting one myself. People are either gonna buy or they are not. Plain and simple. Do you really think that Apple or Microsoft are trying to "sell" to the power user or the more experienced consumer? No, they are trying to sell to Aunt Martha or Grandma Ethel who just want to be able email surf the web and see pictures of little Suzies last ballet recital). I think it is beautiful and a great way for people to "switch" or just try it out. I have been wanting to have and Apple computer for a long time but I don't want to spend over 1000 bucks to do it. I will spend the 500 however. It is a beautiful tiny machine. In fact I want three of them so that I don't have to share(if only)

I am not a power user. I don't upgrade my computer every few months (although I wish I could) so what some consider low specs doesn't phase me. I guess I am Joe Blow (Actually that is Jane to you) average consumer who only cares about the cuteness and the price. :)

P.S. No disrespect intended
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Zepp
Veteran
Veteran


Joined: 15 Mar 2004
Posts: 1246
Location: Ontario, Canada

PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like they would make an awesome media box. Or a small workstation where you don't plan on doing any really resource hungry activities likes games etc :P
_________________
Every iPhone is a gift from God.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Evangelion
Veteran
Veteran


Joined: 31 May 2002
Posts: 1087
Location: Helsinki, Finland

PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ebrostig wrote:
A box that you pay $500 for and have those lowend specs is only beeing hyped by the press for one single reason and one reason only: Apple.

When you look at the specs you really understand how crappy this box is, But since it is made by Apple, it gets godlike status immediatly despite it's lowend specs.

Erik


You just don't "get it", do you? Why do you think this machine is crappy? Because you can get some full-tower PC for same price and it would have faster CPU than this thing does?

Why does this machine appeal to me? Simple:

- It looks gorgerous. Seriously, I have seen cases like that with some Mini-ITX-machines, and those cost AT LEAST as much as the Mini does, while offering crappier performance. Seriously, top-end of those machines is 1.2GHz VIA Nehemiah, and that CPU sucks when compared to the G4. I guess Nehemiah is about comparable to... 800Mhz P3. And they have crappy integrated vid-cards.

- It's tiny. I already have a full-tower PC, but I would like to have another machine to play with. Some el-cheapo Dell is not an alternative, it would simply take too much space. This machine would fit nicely on my desk while being pleasing on the eyes (and ears).

- It's silent. That el-cheapo Dell would have a CPU-fan, PS-fan and maybe a case-fan as well. And that means noise. Hell, my PC's case is designed to be as silent as possible, and I have Cool 'n Quiet enabled (to the CPU-fan spins only as fast as it has to). And guess what? I can still hear the PC running when I'm not even in the same room!

- It's fast enough. Of course, I COULD get some 2+GHz Dell for the same machine. But it would have the shortcomings I mentioned above, while not having any real benefits for me (so it has faster CPU, big deal! I can hardly see difference between my 800Mhz Duron and 2.2GHz A64 that replaced it in regural use!).

- Those cheap Dells and the like have crappier features. They have integrated vid-cards (which have sucky performance AND they eat system-RAM), regural CD-ROMs, no Firewire and the like.

- Have you seen the software you get with the Mini? With those Dells you get XP Home (which sucks) and some token software (which sucks). With the Mini you get OS X and iLife. And besides, no matter how much money you pay, you can't really run OS X on that Dell ;). So, if you want to try out OS X, this is the most convenient way to do it. And if OS X is not for you, you get a nice personal-server to run Linux on.

Seriously, some full-tower Dell is not really an alternative to the Mini.

Yes, because this thing is made by Apple, it gets extra attention. And it should. Have you REALLY compared this thing to those low-end PC's? The Mini is a work of art, whereas those PC's are dime a dozen computers inside grey boxes made from plastic. Seriously, when people see the Mini, they will go "Whoa! That thing is beautiful!", whereas if they saw some generic PC, they wouldn't give it a second look.

But hey, if you are not interested in the Mini, more power to you! But many people are. And I for one think that it's great that there is at least one company that offer computers that that extra bit of something, instead of just churning out grey boxes filled with generic parts. Maybe I'm just starting to grow out of the Mhz-myth, and I want more from my computer than simple performance. Maybe I want aesthetics, silence, small size and the like. I have been looking at Mini-ITX-machines (which have been getting more and more popular lately), but this machine absolutely annihilates them in just about every aspect. And I have wanted to try out OS X, and this is a great way to do it.
_________________
My tech-blog | My other blog
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
nadir-san
Apprentice
Apprentice


Joined: 29 May 2004
Posts: 174
Location: Ireland

PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks feliperal

pity the wierless wont work, I guess i could buy a small external wireless hub as well via usb or somewhat.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Evangelion
Veteran
Veteran


Joined: 31 May 2002
Posts: 1087
Location: Helsinki, Finland

PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kraylus wrote:
Evangelion wrote:
Use your existing keyboard. That is the idea with this machine. Plan is that people who want to switch to Mac from PC, can now simply take out their PC-tower and replace it with the Mini.


i dont have a usb keyboard... i'd be forced to buy a new one.


In that case you could get a PS/2 ==> USB-converter. those don't cost that much. If you can afford the Mini, surely you can afford an adapter ;)?

Quote:
i think overall, it's probably a good deal. but i know that if i were to purchase one of those, id get bored of it rather quickly. once i realized that i couldnt run my familiar apps, and would be forced to go on a wild goose chase trying to find apps that emulate the same functions as my preferred windows counterparts, i'd regret spending the 500 dollars.


Well, the Linux-users who used Windows before, made the same change, and they seemed to manage just fine. Besides, OS X has X, so you could run many of your familiar apps on it :).
_________________
My tech-blog | My other blog
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
porodzila
Guru
Guru


Joined: 22 May 2004
Posts: 307
Location: Moving on up.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh and there is apples other smart move. Everybody complains about lack of software, well lets just give them UNIX theres plenty of UNIX software
_________________
ubi primum potero, me hinc subduco.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mijenix
Guru
Guru


Joined: 22 Apr 2003
Posts: 392
Location: Switzerland

PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I buy the mini mac to play with MacOS X. I wan't know this OS. And when its crappy I will install Gentoo Linux and use it as a little fileserver or I sell it. So, it does not interest me the specs. I want to form for opinion about MacOS X!

--Mathias
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
SnEptUne
l33t
l33t


Joined: 23 Aug 2004
Posts: 651

PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone know if $629 is the final cost? I live in Canda, so things usually get taxed after the price. I was wondering if tax is included in the $629? I am very eager to install Gentoo under a trimmed down version of OSX.
_________________
"There will be more joy in heaven over the tear-bathed face of a repentant sinner than over the white robes of a hundred just men." (LM, 114)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Gentoo Forums Forum Index Off the Wall All times are GMT
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next
Page 5 of 7

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum