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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I rarely come in here so I will not miss this forum, but I hope that we do not get too much of an influx of new members at TROTW.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AllTom wrote:
Are the people that make the Gentoo forums famous for support the same people that would consider leaving if the OTW forum were deleted?
Probably not. Just try matching user names in OTW and Gentoo Chat. You won't find a whole lot of matches.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Delete it, it's counterproductive to Gentoo.

If thats the case, I totally agree. Gentoo is more important. However, I think the OTW community helps Gentoo's userbase. All the more reason to keep using Gentoo.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to make a quick little statement here. I'm not a major player in OTW or anything but I think it's very important to the health of the forums in general. What's the most important part of a healthy forum community? It's users. You need veteran users that on a regular basis are active members as well as a influx of new users that eventually join the veterans.

Without these two groups of users a forum will die. The gentoo fourms are primarly a support forum but they will not continue to be a support forum if there are no experienced users around anymore and if none of the newbies continue to post/learn.

OTW provides a platform where forum users can make connections. For example you might learn that cokehabit is a goofy, english geek that's actually David Bowie, or that downpoor can't shoot straight, or that Stormy Eyes is sledgehammer wielding libertarian, and Papal_Authority is a socialist moonbat, etc. etc.

These connections make OTW and concurently the Gentoo forums fun. Pretty soon new users, find themselves checking in to see what direction that thread on plastic surgery went in, and end up staying to help someone.

By getting rid of OTW the gentoo fourms will eventually become about as exciting as a call to tech support instead of the online equivlent of hanging out, messing with computers and drinking beer with your "friends".

I think deleting OTW would be THE biggest mistake the Gentoo forums could make. I think it would kill the forums, one way or another. I hope it stays.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't ventured into the support areas for about a year. (Well just my gentoo on solaris thread) But I do visit otw for the latest BS on anything and everything. I can just browse the titles and not even visit the threads and pretty much tell which are flame baiting and which aren't.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a bit tired so excuse me if this is going to sound inconsistent.

The current problems with OTW are probably not going to disappear. There will always be instigators of flames, trolls, provocateurs and people who responds to them. Hoping that the posters in OTW is going to police themselves, will require a selfcontrol and willingness to control and correct both oneself and others that I doubt will be viable amongst the majority of posters.

So - also coming from the semianarchistic Usenet - I would suggest some sort of a technical fix.
I've always been a great fan of the personal killfile and the ability to ignore threads wherein (for me) uninteresting posters have the possibility to spew their garbage as much as they like and I have the possibility to ignore them as much as I like.
The problem with this suggestion is that functions like this is not supported by phpBB as standard.
I know it would be a bother with each forumupgrade, but I would suggest implementing an "ignore user"-mod and then only moderate in the OTW when people actively comes with a complaint about an personal transgression of the rules.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I definitely wouldn't even dream of leaving Gentoo if the OTW was deleted. It might even persudae me to put my energies into helping out on the other forums. If it's that much of a timesink for the mods, then they should probably just get rid of it. I didn't start using linux to be a burden on someone else.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe renaming OTW to "Enter At Your Own Risk. No Lifeguard On Duty." would suffice.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
Maybe renaming OTW to "Enter At Your Own Risk. No Lifeguard On Duty." would suffice.


That's the one I'd been waiting for.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe renaming OTW to "Enter At Your Own Risk. No Lifeguard On Duty." would suffice.


If that works for you guys, then why not? Is the size of the forum causing any stress technically or financially? If so, then you can just remove any threads that haven't been posted to in a year.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
Maybe renaming OTW to "Enter At Your Own Risk. No Lifeguard On Duty." would suffice.


In what sense...as in totally unmoderated? free for spammers to reign free or even worse trolls and kiddes posting links to warez which could lead into legal troubles
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, its just my opinion... I don't know how many other mods/admins would agree.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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pjp wrote:
Maybe renaming OTW to "Enter At Your Own Risk. No Lifeguard On Duty." would suffice.


In what sense...as in totally unmoderated? free for spammers to reign free or even worse trolls and kiddes posting links to warez which could lead into legal troubles


That's a good point. Maybe see if anyone on the forum would act as a mod to remove spam and warez and all that bullshit....
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's a good point. Maybe see if anyone on the forum would act as a mod to remove spam and warez and all that bullshit....


Which brings us full circle back to where we are.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SLH wrote:
downpour wrote:
pjp wrote:
Maybe renaming OTW to "Enter At Your Own Risk. No Lifeguard On Duty." would suffice.


In what sense...as in totally unmoderated? free for spammers to reign free or even worse trolls and kiddes posting links to warez which could lead into legal troubles


That's a good point. Maybe see if anyone on the forum would act as a mod to remove spam and warez and all that bullshit....


true most people here report spam everything else can be sent to /dev/null :D
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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true most people here report spam everything else can be sent to /dev/null :D


And urinated upon!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SLH wrote:
downpour wrote:
pjp wrote:
Maybe renaming OTW to "Enter At Your Own Risk. No Lifeguard On Duty." would suffice.


In what sense...as in totally unmoderated? free for spammers to reign free or even worse trolls and kiddes posting links to warez which could lead into legal troubles


That's a good point. Maybe see if anyone on the forum would act as a mod to remove spam and warez and all that bullshit....


I could be a good mod! ha ha ha! :twisted:
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
Maybe renaming OTW to "Enter At Your Own Risk. No Lifeguard On Duty." would suffice.

An unmoderated -selfmoderated otw would be a wise choise.
Juts make a sticky thread for spam-warez reports,and give the power to 1 or 2 people,to delete those threads.
And bring back all the banned members. and make a mass invitation to christian community to have some fun.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ag_x wrote:
pjp wrote:
Maybe renaming OTW to "Enter At Your Own Risk. No Lifeguard On Duty." would suffice.

An unmoderated -selfmoderated otw would be a wise choise.
Juts make a sticky thread for spam-warez reports,and give the power to 1 or 2 people,to delete those threads.
And bring back all the banned members. and make a mass invitation to christian community to have some fun.


LOL, wishful thinking? I vote everything stays how it is now.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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LOL, wishful thinking? I vote everything stays how it is now.

So delete the damn thing.The present moderation its not fair enough,and provides confusion.
A month or 2 of such an experiment its a challenge for everybody,even for the wild ones.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's intersting reading some of the time, but is really just a waste of time.

I think the gentoo forums would survive the removal of OTW.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Bet that got your attention...

No, got my hopes up.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Bet that got your attention...

No, got my hopes up.

judging by where you've been posting from what your profile says, you seem to like otw.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I have always viewed OTW as a place for all of us to get to know each other better and intereact in ways that cannot be done in the other sections. Though, I always stay clear of the "hot" topics, because quite frankly I do not like extreme emotional arguing, namely do to type of mental illness I have (I am 24, but some of you really scare me the way you get and my mental problems are my own). So, in some ways, I do agree that things do get out of hand. However, if you really want to get to know a person, then this is the perfect forum to do so, and we all share one thing in common -- the love of Gentoo Linux. I didn't spend time reading this whole thread, but I did read a bit. People really do not not what they have until they have lost it and I think that this forum is taken advantage of by a lot of people. I just hope that people realize this and come to their senses before even more drastic measures are taken. This is a community built around one common interest, so let's try to behave like a community. We can have discussions without ripping people's heds off. I think mostly it's a power complex. Some people may get the notion that they can do what they want or say want they want because this is the Internet, well, behave like you would in real life, because your words and actions do effect others for real, and emotions and dreams can get hurt just the same on the Internet as in real life. We are all old enough to answer for our actions, so it is time that some of you answer for what you have done. You do not know what you have here until you lose it, so let's hope that it doesn't come to that.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
Maybe renaming OTW to "Enter At Your Own Risk. No Lifeguard On Duty." would suffice.

This gets my vote. Obviously some small measures to remove spam/warez would be necessary but everything else could be safely ignored and I'm sure kurt's figure of 90% would be severely reduced.
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