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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:38 am    Post subject: OTW will be deleted soon Reply with quote

Bet that got your attention...

Folks, we have a serious problem with OTW. At the risk of oversimplifying it, people just can't seem to get along. This particular forum has very little to do with Gentoo, yet it consumes a *tremendous* amount of our resources. Roughly 90% of the time we spend moderating is spent in this forum. The same forum that, by it's very nature, has nothing to do with Gentoo.

There are a number of reasons for this, but at the end of the day, it all boils down to an inability to be civil to one another. I have no idea why this basic social skill is so difficult for some folks to grasp. Disagreeing with each other is perfectly fine. Lashing out at one another is not.

These forums are primarily designed to help folks install and use Gentoo. OTW is not part of this goal and, as such, if it continues to be a demilitarized minefield where we have to spend hours and hours patrolling and policing to maintain order, it will simply disappear.

We don’t want to do this. I, especially, don’t want to do this. I view OTW as one of the primary reasons for the success of the Gentoo forums to-date. That said, we need to continually re-evaluate the state of affairs and ensure that we’re acting in the best interest of the Gentoo community. If we continue to have to devote 90% of our moderation time to OTW, that’s a pretty good indication that we may not be serving the needs of the Gentoo community as well as we might otherwise.

So, I’m going to ask for your help. Please police yourselves – don’t crank up the rhetoric or the emotions when talking about volatile subjects like religion or politics. Keep things civil, keep them polite and keep them courteous. That way, we can all keep enjoying OTW.

Thanks.

--kurt

edit: Made unsticky, seems things seem at least acceptable at the moment. Please don't mess up OTW though. ;)
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well if it does get deleted www.o-t-w.org will be up soon can you point a link over there for us :D
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

owww I only spend time here while I try to install Gentoo on my pc.. :o
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please people if you must cause trouble. Do it were it's ok. :wink:

http://otw.psytrip.org/
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moloch wrote:
Please people if you must cause trouble. Do it were it's ok. :wink:

http://otw.psytrip.org/

Better yet take it to #otw on freenode :D
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

otw is a great thing, it sounds like it's doomed though. i somehow doubt people will ever be able to restrain themselves. i think it will have a dramatic effect on the great community though, which is why we're (me & slyde) already working on a replacement for otw if it gets toasted.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kurt,

Hopefully in time the powers that be can re-evaluate OTW's existance.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damnit! Just when I get a (somewhat) available Internet connection after nearly five months of no computer access, my favorite forum is getting axed.

Sonofabitch.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to be clear, the title of this thread is intended more to get people to read the post. There are no definite plans to kill OTW at this time. (though it absolutely is being actively discussed)

Whether or not it really does get killed off is entirely up to you all. If you can behave and be civil, it will continue to exist as long as these forums exist. If you can't, it won't.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

klieber wrote:
Just to be clear, the title of this thread is intended more to get people to read the post. There are no definite plans to kill OTW at this time. (though it absolutely is being actively discussed)

Whether or not it really does get killed off is entirely up to you all. If you can behave and be civil, it will continue to exist as long as these forums exist. If you can't, it won't.

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Well it's going to be deleted then. :roll:
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moloch wrote:
klieber wrote:
Just to be clear, the title of this thread is intended more to get people to read the post. There are no definite plans to kill OTW at this time. (though it absolutely is being actively discussed)

Whether or not it really does get killed off is entirely up to you all. If you can behave and be civil, it will continue to exist as long as these forums exist. If you can't, it won't.

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Well it's going to be deleted then. :roll:


probably so :cry:
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moloch wrote:
klieber wrote:
Just to be clear, the title of this thread is intended more to get people to read the post. There are no definite plans to kill OTW at this time. (though it absolutely is being actively discussed)

Whether or not it really does get killed off is entirely up to you all. If you can behave and be civil, it will continue to exist as long as these forums exist. If you can't, it won't.

--kurt

Well it's going to be deleted then. :roll:


Why you think you are can't be civil ?
just try, and if you can't don't post ? and stick trotw, or post your emotional stuff there, and post your more level header serious here?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not that its the most sensible idea and people should know how to act, but how about a moderator whos only purpose is to watch over off the wall?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nyteryda wrote:
Why you think you are can't be civil ?

Nope no self control what so ever...

Hey, c'mon it's me here. The rest of you I'm worried about.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

downpour wrote:
Not that its the most sensible idea and people should know how to act, but how about a moderator whos only purpose is to watch over off the wall?

Good luck with that. I went out for a few hours last Friday and when I came back the last thread I had read was one page back and two page long threads had grown to 5+ pages. The mod would have to literally spend all his time at the computer.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lets let anyone mod otw!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice, agree, been there, done that, thanks a lot!

I am going to lose a little bit sense of belonging, that's all. I do agree that some dudes are out of control and it is waste of resources to host it here. Since 99% of my posts go in here, I find myself doomed in Gentoo Forums.

Obvious enough, this is a sad thing for me.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

downpour wrote:
Not that its the most sensible idea and people should know how to act, but how about a moderator whos only purpose is to watch over off the wall?

OK, well that shows that we haven't done a good job of explaining how many resources OTW really takes. There are probably 5-6 global mods who spend 90% of their time doing nothing but babysitting OTW. 49 times out of 50, when I get a complaint via PM, it's about something that's happened in OTW.

It takes a *lot* of our time as it is.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say, let it go, and point anybody who wants to BS to Slyde's site, http://otw.psytrip.org instead.

That, or post a HUGE disclaimer about not being responsible for OTW, and don't mess with it at all.

I dunno. I've never been in the moderating business, but as an OTW poster (I try not to personally attack people, by the way, and usually post in order to have interesting conversation), I can safely say that I think it's ridiculous for you guys to spend that much time on OTW. Do whatever is easiest for you guys, and we'll all understand.

OTW is a fun diversion, but the other forums are the ones that are truly useful. I don't think you'd lose many, if any, current Gentoo users by closing OTW.

BTW, thanks for everything, Kurt.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=266606

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zenlunatic wrote:
Hey anyone interested in making otw.org that is like slashdot.org but with a bunch of random news articles that are submitted by users but not edited, and has a forums?

sounds like my site, cept nobody really posts there...

/me cries
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zenlunatic wrote:
Hey anyone interested in making otw.org that is like slashdot.org but with a bunch of random news articles that are submitted by users but not edited, and has a forums?

I think slashdot does a good job at that :wink: Plus, I hate slashdot :wink:
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

#otw
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Delete it, it's counterproductive to Gentoo.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are the people that make the Gentoo forums famous for support the same people that would consider leaving if the OTW forum were deleted?
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