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aleskx
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| Corky wrote: | | This thread is getting pointless, and can only degrade along familiar lines from here. I hope the mods decide to wither lock it or at least move it off to otw. |
| WhyteWolf wrote: | | Corky wrote: | | This thread is getting pointless, and can only degrade along familiar lines from here. I hope the mods decide to wither lock it or at least move it off to otw. |
i hafta agree ... this thread is just pointless and offensive {personaly I find cenorship offensive{and yes I'm an american}} |
| ralph wrote: | | Please, could some mod close this thread as it obviously leads nowhere. |
I didn't know there was such a disease as compulsory reading of offensive threads. Who's making you all read this thread? And, then WhyteWolf is offended by censorship and therefore wants thread censored.
It is indeed poinless and waste of time. As for censorship, y'all can continue your whining here: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=266580
I'm outta here. |
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papal_authority
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: Censorship |
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| aleskx wrote: | a Canadian with an opinion about American political system
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The U.S.A. is a FSCKING DEMOCRACY as well as a FSCKING REPUBLIC
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How is stating that the U.S.'s form of government is a republic and a democracy offensive? Even pjp wouldn't claim that (just kidding pjp). It says absolutely nothing negative about the American people, their country or their government. Also note that "fsck" is standard *nix speak for adding emphasis. It is not swearing. Ridiculous.
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Zaphod42
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If swearing "offends" people, they need fucking help. In fact if "words" can hurt you, I'd suggest not reading anymore, turning off the radio, throwing your TV out the window, and never associate with anyone again.
Other than that, watch an episode of the Trailer Park Boys. That's some funny fucking shit.
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aleskx
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: Censorship |
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| papal_authority wrote: | | aleskx wrote: | a Canadian with an opinion about American political system
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The U.S.A. is a FSCKING DEMOCRACY as well as a FSCKING REPUBLIC
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It says absolutely nothing negative about the American people, their country or their government.
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ok, to be fair, I'll ask you to explain (in plain words):
what does your signature talk about, what exactly does it say and why do you have it as signature ?
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Also note that "fsck" is standard *nix speak for adding emphasis. It is not swearing. Ridiculous. |
I thought fsck was the file system checking utility rather than 'emphasis adding standard'. I also thought fscking was a slight modification of a profane word that means sexual intercourse. |
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ralph
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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Just click on the word democracy in papal's sig (it's a link) and you'll see what he is reffering to.
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papal_authority
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 5:16 pm Post subject: Re: Censorship |
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| aleskx wrote: | ok, to be fair, I'll ask you to explain (in plain words):
what does your signature talk about, what exactly does it say |
Do as ralph suggests and click the link, I promise it's safe for your easily offended sensibilities.
| aleskx wrote: | | why do you have it as signature ? |
To combat a common misconception among n00bs in OTW. Again this explained in the thread it links to.
| aleskx wrote: | | I thought fsck was the file system checking utility rather than 'emphasis adding standard'. I also thought fscking was a slight modification of a profane word that means sexual intercourse. |
That "slight modification" allows emphasis without profanity. It's pretty common on *nix sites and indeed originated aeons ago on the USENET newsgroup alt.sysadmin.recovery. So yes its similarity to a certain profanity is part of its humorous appeal but it has passed beyond that now into common usage.
So again my signature is neither offensive nor profane. Period.
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aleskx
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: Censorship |
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| papal_authority wrote: |
So again my signature is neither offensive nor profane. Period. |
Yes it is. As well as poll option joke stating Americans don't know where Scotland is, Texans have rotten teeth and poop on their porches and so on...
Period. |
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ralph
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 5:30 pm Post subject: Re: Censorship |
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| aleskx wrote: | | papal_authority wrote: |
So again my signature is neither offensive nor profane. Period. |
Yes it is. As well as poll option joke stating Americans don't know where Scotland is, Texans have rotten teeth and poop on their porches and so on...
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Then please explain to little unenlightend me how on earth the signature is profane. I really think you should do a good job about it as you are attacking someone who hasn't done anything to deserve your attacks imo, so, let's here what you have to say then.
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aleskx
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 5:43 pm Post subject: Re: Censorship |
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Then please explain to little unenlightend me how on earth the signature is profane. I really think you should do a good job about it as you are attacking someone who hasn't done anything to deserve your attacks imo, so, let's here what you have to say then. |
It is profane because the word fscking is derived from a profane word. What portion of the term "profane" is it that you do not understand?
And I am not attacking anyone. I am attacking derogatory attitude toward a nation (as I have pointed out in my previous post). |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: Censorship |
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| aleskx wrote: | | ralph wrote: |
Then please explain to little unenlightend me how on earth the signature is profane. I really think you should do a good job about it as you are attacking someone who hasn't done anything to deserve your attacks imo, so, let's here what you have to say then. |
It is profane because the word fscking is derived from a profane word. What portion of the term "profane" is it that you do not understand?
And I am not attacking anyone. I am attacking derogatory attitude toward a nation (as I have pointed out in my previous post). |
1. This is, though I know it is hard to believe hanging around OTW sometimes, a linux forum, and as papal authority already explained, fscking is not considered profane by most geeks.
2. You are constantly attacking other people and now specifically papal authority. That you don't have the slightest problem complaining loudly about everything you don't understand and at the same time constantly attack people doesn't speak very favorably of you.
3. I get the distinct impression, that you are simply unable to concede that you misunderstood papal authority's sig the first time (read what you wrote about it then if you don't believe me) and now will cling to calling it profane no matter what. Instead of attacking him, I think an apology would be in order, but my hopes of seeing this happen aren't to high up.
4. After our little run in yesterday I really tried to answer your question and show you, that you simply misunderstood something, but obviously you are not interested in a civilized conversation in any form but instead simply want to provoke people. As the best way of dealing with people like you is to simply ignore them, don't expect any answers from me to anything you say anymore.
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aleskx
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: Censorship |
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| ralph wrote: |
1. This is, though I know it is hard to believe hanging around OTW sometimes, a linux forum, and as papal authority already explained, fscking is not considered profane by most geeks.
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And as I have explained, it sounds profane to me.
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2. You are constantly attacking other people and now specifically papal authority. That you don't have the slightest problem complaining loudly about everything you don't understand and at the same time constantly attack people doesn't speak very favorably of you.
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since I am constantly attacking people, it'll be easy for you to point everyone to a personal attack of mine on any level (personal, religious, national).
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3. I get the distinct impression, that you are simply unable to concede that you misunderstood papal authority's sig the first time (read what you wrote about it then if you don't believe me) and now will cling to calling it profane no matter what. Instead of attacking him, I think an apology would be in order, but my hopes of seeing this happen aren't to high up.
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I did not misunderstood his signature nor his overall attitude toward America. You don't like something about America, fine say it out loud. But don't generalize using profanities, bad taste jokes and such. And that goes for anyone. And I don't see why are you arguing with me. He can speak well for himself.
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4. After our little run in yesterday I really tried to answer your question and show you, that you simply misunderstood something, but obviously you are not interested in a civilized conversation in any form but instead simply want to provoke people. As the best way of dealing with people like you is to simply ignore them, don't expect any answers from me to anything you say anymore. |
I appreciate your willingness to help, but I did not ask for it. I do not want to provoke anyone. I have a right to my opinion. If I find something offensive, it is offensive to me. You may or may not agree. I don't care. You are welcome not to say anything anymore. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: Censorship |
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| aleskx wrote: |
I did not misunderstood his signature nor his overall attitude toward America. You don't like something about America, fine say it out loud. But don't generalize using profanities, bad taste jokes and such. And that goes for anyone. And I don't see why are you arguing with me. He can speak well for himself.
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Ok, I know I'm breaking my own rule now, but I'm just to interested in seeing you explain how pointing out that the US is a democracy and a republic is showing dislike of America expressed using profanities, bad taste jokes and such. Please go ahead and explain it to me.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: Censorship |
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| aleskx wrote: | | I did not misunderstood his signature nor his overall attitude toward America. |
What, exactly, is my overall attitude toward America?
| aleskx wrote: | | You don't like something about America, fine say it out loud. But don't generalize using profanities, bad taste jokes and such. |
I have no problem saying out loud, the things I don't like about American policy. I have many times. My signature is not one of them though. It's a link to a thread about the American form of government being both a republic and a representative democracy. It's not a generalization, it's a fact and it's not a bad taste joke, it's a statement using the UNIX word fsck.
| aleskx wrote: | | And I don't see why are you arguing with me. He can speak well for himself. |
Probably because ralph, like myself, likes to stand up to stupidity and ignorance.
You basically have resigned to arguing over the word fsck as being a profanity. Rest assured it's not. The passing resemblance to an actual profanity makes it humorous but if you have any idea what the command fsck does, you should know that if you have to use it, it's generally not a good thing. Hence its usage by the UNIX crowd as a way of adding emphasis to a statement. I'm going out now and will not argue this anymore. Feel free to report my signature to a mod if you really feel it's offensive.
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aleskx
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: Censorship |
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| ralph wrote: | | aleskx wrote: |
I did not misunderstood his signature nor his overall attitude toward America. You don't like something about America, fine say it out loud. But don't generalize using profanities, bad taste jokes and such. And that goes for anyone. And I don't see why are you arguing with me. He can speak well for himself.
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Ok, I know I'm breaking my own rule now, but I'm just to interested in seeing you explain how pointing out that the US is a democracy and a republic is showing dislike of America expressed using profanities, bad taste jokes and such. Please go ahead and explain it to me. |
I have already told you - fscking is derived from a profane word. As for bad jokes, I said that in conection with a poll (I've lost the link, but the poll got locked by mod) where he put an option that said something like "I don't know where Scotland is (I am American)". And then, there was the post linking Texans to the pictures of people with rotten teeth, sitting on the toilet on their porch etc... I did not go further, but the guy is obviously very troubled by America as a whole. And that is troubling to me. If he said, I don't like Bush government foreign policy, I don't like what republican party stands for in economy ... I'd be fine with it, anyone has a basic right to like or dislike anything. I have a problem with personal attacks and generalizations (all Americans are stupid, America is bad, all Germans are ugly ... get it?). |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: Censorship |
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| aleskx wrote: | | ralph wrote: | | aleskx wrote: |
I did not misunderstood his signature nor his overall attitude toward America. You don't like something about America, fine say it out loud. But don't generalize using profanities, bad taste jokes and such. And that goes for anyone. And I don't see why are you arguing with me. He can speak well for himself.
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Ok, I know I'm breaking my own rule now, but I'm just to interested in seeing you explain how pointing out that the US is a democracy and a republic is showing dislike of America expressed using profanities, bad taste jokes and such. Please go ahead and explain it to me. |
I have already told you - fscking is derived from a profane word. As for bad jokes, I said that in connection with a poll (I've lost the link, but the poll got locked by mod) where he put an option that said something like "I don't know where Scotland is (I am American)". And then, there was the post linking Texans to the pictures of people with rotten teeth, sitting on the toilet on their porch etc... I did not go further, but the guy is obviously very troubled by America as a whole. And that is troubling to me. If he said, I don't like Bush government foreign policy, I don't like what republican party stands for in economy ... I'd be fine with it, anyone has a basic right to like or dislike anything. I have a problem with personal attacks and generalizations (all Americans are stupid, America is bad, all Germans are ugly ... get it?). |
Ok, final comment.
1. Fscking is derived from fsck. (Who would have thought?)
2. That you don't like the word fscking, as you seem not to be able to understand it, doesn't prove your point that papal's sig in any way shows a negative attitude towards America, nor that he expresses that attitude (that he obviously doesn't express at all) with profanities.
3. That the images you are referring to were posted in a certain context, that actually reversed them to the exact opposite of what you allege them to have meant seems to have escaped you. Irony is hard to grasp for some people, I know.
So again, either show where papal authority is doing the things you accuse him of, apologize, or simply shut up. (feel free to report that to the mods, btw.)
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aleskx
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: Censorship |
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| ralph wrote: |
1. Fscking is derived from fsck. (Who would have thought?)
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.. and has nothing to do with certain profane word. Who would have thought?
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2. That you don't like the word fscking, as you seem not to be able to understand it, doesn't prove your point that papal's sig in any way shows a negative attitude towards America, nor that he expresses that attitude (that he obviously doesn't express at all) with profanities.
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3. That the images you are referring to were posted in a certain context, that actually reversed them to the exact opposite of what you allege them to have meant seems to have escaped you. Irony is hard to grasp for some people, I know.
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Sure, and the comment about Americans and Scotland was well intended remark to point out overall American superior geopolitical knowledge.
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So again, either show where papal authority is doing the things you accuse him of, apologize, or simply shut up. |
Supposedly you were outta here long time ago. So, in your own polite words, I emphasize - fsck off. And stick to it.
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(feel free to report that to the mods, btw.)
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moderators do not create problems
they deal with problems we create for ourselves
if we can all stay frosty and reel in that impulse to quickly reply with vinegar, then we can keep this forum.
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Wow, just wow. Talk about having thin skin.
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aleskx
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| Xaignar wrote: | | Wow, just wow. Talk about having thin skin. |
Let me get back to the origins of this topic - it was in netiquette (http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=71) and then someone posted something about porno links and I replied and added my complaints.
Here's what I believe:
If we'd all be polite and try to express our opinions without personal attacks of any sort, it 'd be easier to discuss anything and everything. Everyone is allowed to think whatever they want and everyone is allowed to disagree. And for me to say, wow, man why do you find what I say (or display) offensive, is beyond the point. If you do, then it is offensive because you see and feel it as such. I won't call you stupid, ignorant, thin skin or whatever. I'll respect your opinion and feelings.
I personally do not like pornoghraphy, profanity and any sort of attack/accusation based on someone's appearance, intelligence, nation, race, religion and such. And I believe everyone should refrain from such attacks. And everyone can say what they think on any subject without personal insults.
That much I have to say aboutt this subject and now I will retire from this thread. Merry Christmass everyone. |
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| aleskx wrote: | I think international forums beat the very essence of open source movement.
Sure, everyone should be allowed to speak in their native language, just like everyone should be allowed not to disclose the code they've written. But, computer technology is world-wide, it is English-based, English is the most natural way for communicating about it and is de facto world-wide standard. |
You really mean that? For real??
Hellooo?!
Would you please sign off this great forum AT ONCE?!
You disgust me - "offensive" is too kind a word for your what you obviously think. You cannot mean it, stating that "international forums beat the essence of open source movement". What the FSCK puts you into the position to say wether Germans / Italians / French / whoever should shut up and post in ENGLISH just to please you?! I, for one WELCOME the effort of the Gentoo-community to actively maintain international forums to give people NOT ABLE TO SPEAK ENGLISH an adequate ability to BE PART OF the open source movement.
| aleskx wrote: | | I personally do not like [...] any sort of attack/accusation based on someone's [...] nation [...]. And I believe everyone should refrain from such attacks. |
You start first by recalling your statement and excusing yourself for stating such blatant nonsense.
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That much I have to say aboutt this subject and now I will retire from this thread. Merry Christmass everyone. |
Good idea, let's all retire from that thread now.
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