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cokehabit
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 Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 9:44 pm Post subject: Women of Iraq, a very different POV to the Iraq debate... |
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I found this BBC news part quite interesting, it is from BBC Arabic where they asked 6 women in Iraq what they felt,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3631826.stm
Each woman has a different story to tell and there are comments after each one.
It seems to me that the women that are able to deal with westernisation are looking like the ones who are going to cope and survive the best
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| What they felt, eh? Did the reporter bother to ask about their thoughts, or was he only concerned with their feelings? |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| read it and find out |
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Nice to see a news agency do some real journalism. Good work BBC.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: Women of Iraq, a very different POV to the Iraq debate.. |
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| cokehabit wrote: |
It seems to me that the women that are able to deal with westernisation are looking like the ones who are going to cope and survive the best
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But keep in mind that the article was written from a western POV, so it may provide a slightly contorted image. On the other hand, it's very interesting to get an insight from the other side. It's just a glimpse, but still. I think the media (and esp. western governments) should really take a closer look at what "the others" think of us. Rather than just dealing with so-called "experts" who just provide their rather biased views of "strategic value", not considering the cultural aspects as much as is due.
I forgot to add that the BBC once again proved what they have their high reputation for. Only few in the media business seem to at least try to fulfil the goal of objectivity.
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| This stuff has been in the Wall Street Journal for ages... |
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This was an interesting read. Thanks for posting the link cokehabit.
I will sum up my opinion with this quote from Zeinab, one of the women interviewed.
"I look forward to the future with optimism, and I long for my country to be a democratic and a just place.
I am confident that we can achieve this if we stick together and leave aside our differences.
It is time that we learnt to live in peace, hope and freedom. It is time to enjoy a decent life which we deserve to have because, above all, we are all part of the human family. "
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:42 am Post subject: Re: Women of Iraq, a very different POV to the Iraq debate.. |
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| thepi wrote: | | cokehabit wrote: |
It seems to me that the women that are able to deal with westernisation are looking like the ones who are going to cope and survive the best
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But keep in mind that the article was written from a western POV, so it may provide a slightly contorted image. On the other hand, it's very interesting to get an insight from the other side. It's just a glimpse, but still. I think the media (and esp. western governments) should really take a closer look at what "the others" think of us. Rather than just dealing with so-called "experts" who just provide their rather biased views of "strategic value", not considering the cultural aspects as much as is due.
I forgot to add that the BBC once again proved what they have their high reputation for. Only few in the media business seem to at least try to fulfil the goal of objectivity. |
Excellent points made. The outside view of the western world was what was missing from the conflict from the very beginning, they are only starting to take notice of it now as it starts becomming a problem. This war should have been structured better and resolution 1441 should not have been used as a starting block to rid the world of an annoying person. The people in the article are the people that count and every step in the opposite direction from them is a step in the wrong way... |
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Overall, it's quite optimistic. Of course, one might say that they just hand-picked those interviews out of many...
Anyway, here's one worrying thing:
"There is another repugnant phenomenon, namely that of the kidnapping of children - as well as doctors and other professionals - for money."
This is the same thing that happened in Chechnya after it was granted de-facto independence. IMO, this is troubling.
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I'd say they should make up 6/10ths of the new government.
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| It definately shows the amount of potential that exists in Iraq and reading things like that partly justifies the US's and the UK's actions |
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women that fight war have got all my respect. especially with the women that have kids.
-lots of love- to all that go to war without thinking of what will happen to them or their kids-
sigh- hugs and kisses for all of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| no no no, this isn't about women fighting war. Read the link from the 1st post |
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You know, guys, I think we have royally fucked things up. Maybe the women should run it all for a while. I doubt there'd be nearly as much killing.
Problem is, most of them have no desire to play the "who's got the bigger dick?" game. Can't say I blame 'em.
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| docGonzo2000 wrote: | You know, guys, I think we have royally fucked things up. Maybe the women should run it all for a while. I doubt there'd be nearly as much killing.
Problem is, most of them have no desire to play the "who's got the bigger dick?" game. Can't say I blame 'em. |
Every time I read similar posts, I can't avoid thinking in Margaret Thatcher.
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| docGonzo2000 wrote: | | You know, guys, I think we have royally fucked things up. Maybe the women should run it all for a while. I doubt there'd be nearly as much killing. |
Erm... Just a thought after watching "The Apprentice" this year (an interesting sociology fish bowl), women fight as much as the men do, they just have different styles of fighting.
("The Apprentice" is a US reality TV show where contestants vie for a job with a real estate mogul in New York. This year, the show had lots of men-vs-women teams, and the women didn't do so hot in the "work together" department.)
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Every time I read similar posts, I can't avoid thinking in Margaret Thatcher. |
Do you suggest she had got "something" to compare? 
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| docGonzo2000 wrote: | You know, guys, I think we have royally fucked things up. Maybe the women should run it all for a while. I doubt there'd be nearly as much killing.
Problem is, most of them have no desire to play the "who's got the bigger dick?" game. Can't say I blame 'em. |
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