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GNU/Linux or Linux alone?
GNU/Linux
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I may have came up with a solution to end the GNU/Linux debate don't call it GNU and don't call it Linux call it one name that covers everything. How about gLinuX.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now go convince all the GNU/Linux proponents. But only if it is actually referring to GNU/Linux, not just anything running a Linux kernel.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think I may have came up with a solution to end the GNU/Linux debate don't call it GNU and don't call it Linux call it one name that covers everything. How about gLinuX.
or just do call it Linux, since that's the name of the bleedin kernel. in fact it's the one and only REQUIRED component of any *Linux system. otherwise it just becomes "the OS".
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Naib wrote:
Well Android has done more to disseminate Linux and FOSS software than GNU ever achieved.

Google/Linux or even Java/Linux is a million time more accurate than GNU/Linux


yes, it is.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well Android has done more to disseminate Linux and FOSS software than GNU ever achieved.

Google/Linux or even Java/Linux is a million time more accurate than GNU/Linux

It doesn't matter if you take energyman's or computer nerds position, but to say that google / android is more important than GNU is just wrong. Without gcc, glibc, etc you can't have a running system, especially not a gentoo system. maybe android helped linux in a commercial / political way, but GNU is way more important in a technical sense.

I'm surprised that you (as a hardware engineer) would call is java/linux :P
why not ruby/linux... ? 8O

not long ago I was a big fan of GNU, but now I think most (if not all) of their programs are way to bloated (screen vs tmux), glibc, etc etc.. of course energyman is correct that BSD, Xorg and many others have contributed a lot, but I think GNU is the most important contributor besides the kernel itself, but since GNU/Linux is to annoying to say I'd call it just Linux.

especially because I recognized that it's not spelled "Gee Nuh" like "Gentoo", but "GNU", you know what I mean? :)
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LoTeK wrote:
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Well Android has done more to disseminate Linux and FOSS software than GNU ever achieved.

Google/Linux or even Java/Linux is a million time more accurate than GNU/Linux

It doesn't matter if you take energyman's or computer nerds position, but to say that google / android is more important than GNU is just wrong. Without gcc, glibc, etc you can't have a running system,


you are so wrong.

glibc is so not needed:
http://blogs.gentoo.org/blueness/2013/06/05/lilblue-a-security-enhanced-fully-featured-xfce4-desktop-for-amd64-built-on-uclibc/

and millions of embbed devices not running glibc are another blow to your position.

gcc? llvm does pretty well nowadays. And there are a couple of others..
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know uclibc because of blueness and the MIPS project. I didn't have the time to try it on my yeeloong. Do you have uclibc on your normal desktop-gentoo system?

I thought uclibc is more for embedded systems...

do you use llvm? but I guess it isn't possible to abandon glibc and gcc totally? (alternatives for gdb?)

gcc is such a beast, bigger than china...

as I said, I don't like those tools very much, but I think without the GNU project there wouldn't be Linux as it is today, so we should respect it. and before we bash stallmann we should bash maybe 10000 other people first...
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LoTeK wrote:

I'm surprised that you (as a hardware engineer) would call is java/linux :P
why not ruby/linux... ? 8O


When in Rome, do as the Romans. This centre of gravity on this board is towards software rather than hardware.
*IF* I really was that way inclined I would say ARM/Linux, but I am not and that is why I just say Linux. When HR managers know what you are talking about, then you know the common term has been disseminated
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LoTeK wrote:
... before we bash stallmann we should bash maybe 10000 other people first...
This

As for the original question, I think it's rather ambiguous. But if I correctly understood the question as "In the case of referring to a system with a Linux kernel and GNU userland ..." then I'd go with GNU/Linux, even more so today, when one may encounter many differently designed systems, e.g. AndriodSDK/Linux.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This centre of gravity on this board is towards software rather than hardware.

probably... I like both...

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why me? and it's called "current" not "this" :P
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LoTeK wrote:
I think GNU is the most important contributor besides the kernel itself
GNU's contribution has been significant, and they deserve a noteworthy footnote for their contributions. However, GNU was around prior to Linux, and not until Linux came around did GNU see significant breadth of use. However, GNU licensing is cancerous, and I look forward to Free BSD 10 which has the goal of being free from GNU.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LoTeK wrote:
I know uclibc because of blueness and the MIPS project. I didn't have the time to try it on my yeeloong. Do you have uclibc on your normal desktop-gentoo system?

I thought uclibc is more for embedded systems...
why would something designed for embedded not work well on a desktop? although uclibc is more of a hacked and slashed version of glibc (c.f. their changelogs). there are others though, like dietlibc. also you could get away with only using completely different "libcs" that arent affected by ANSI cruft, like my own libcurie - although I'd not recommend that to anyone unless they like working with s-expressions and/or can get their head wrapped around stream-based, callback-based workflows.

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do you use llvm? but I guess it isn't possible to abandon glibc and gcc totally? (alternatives for gdb?)
glibc and gcc have a much more shallow connection than you'd think. that said, clang and clang++ are AWESOME compilers - down to the really useful error messages they provide. i don't think i've willingly used another C or C++ compiler since i switched to clang. and gdb isn't a part of gcc, it's just a debugger that works with ELF binaries and their debugging data and which happens to have been ported to a lot of architectures.

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gcc is such a beast, bigger than china...

as I said, I don't like those tools very much, but I think without the GNU project there wouldn't be Linux as it is today, so we should respect it. and before we bash stallmann we should bash maybe 10000 other people first...
there's respect - which earns you an entry in the changelog or the readme - and then there's people actively trying to rename a project because it used code X or Y even though said contribution may not be as important as those people think it is.
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