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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 4:35 am    Post subject: AMD vs Intel: Which one is better? Reply with quote

There have been a lot of hype between AMD vs Intel since AMD64 was released. A lot say that AMD had finally beat Intel, but then Intel answered back with Core 2 Duos.

Which of the two do you think is a better processor considering the following:
- Their current technologies
- Faster compile time esp. in Gentoo
- Gaming
- Usual desktop usage (workstation not as a server)
- Multitasking
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Intel is currently the leader. Their latest chips are also much more power efficient.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

3 months later...

AMD is currently the leader. Their latest chips are also much more power efficient.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd have to say Core2 right now, although I'm an AMD fanboy, Intel did a really great job with their new procs.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah but Core 2 still uses one FSB which is a bottleneck IMO.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EMACS!

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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrVahn wrote:
Yeah but Core 2 still uses one FSB which is a bottleneck IMO.

Yeah, because the poor thing has only 4 MB L2 cache. :roll:
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
MrVahn wrote:
Yeah but Core 2 still uses one FSB which is a bottleneck IMO.

Yeah, because the poor thing has only 4 MB L2 cache. :roll:


Only 2 in most of them :P.

But anyway, it's the general consensus that right now Core 2 > all. Who knows, AMD may come up with some better processor later, but this is the current state.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 9:23 am    Post subject: Re: AMD vs Intel: Which one is better? Reply with quote

MrVahn wrote:
- Their current technologies

AMD: thanks to x86_64, Integrated Memory Controller, open Hypertransport, idle efficiency of CPUs and chipsets (which are currently a great match to Intels mobile technology, though widely ignored).
Intel: Compensating FSB with masses of L2-cache, imo not really sophisticated. Leading at 65nm-production and time-to-market of 45nm, but the latter will be inferior to the development of IBM/AMD/Toshiba/...

A clear lead for AMD on the technology side, even if it isn't currently leading the highend-pack. Intel on the other side has the advantage of sheer production and development capacity - C2D is the most recent technology whereas AMD just can't keep up with such short technology cycles - Athlon64's now steady decline is the recurrence of AthlonXPs last days.

MrVahn wrote:
Faster compile time esp. in Gentoo

Intel on 1S, I guess 2S would be a draw, and clearly AMD on 4S (and above) systems

MrVahn wrote:
Gaming

In most systems and games, the GPU is the limiting factor there - Intel having the advantage most of the time in unreal (SLI-system @1024x768) and uninteresting (hey, 450 fps against 400 - great!) scenarios.

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Usual desktop usage (workstation not as a server)

Well, with todays processing speeds I couldn't think of any difference on usual desktop usage.

MrVahn wrote:
Multitasking

Well...

Having said all this: Nobody has beaten anyone 'finally', and hopefully never will. AMD has all my sympathy being the smaller underdog currently using the more sophisticated technology.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. What AMD truly lacks is a good marketing strategy. I mean, whenever I go into a comp shop, Intel banners and stickers isn't as ubiquitous as AMD's. The non techy likes those things.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Intel's not as sophisticated? That is, sometimes, a GOOD thing.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

money is better than everything..... oh wait :twisted:
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still like AMD more, as the prices are better and performance is great. I just hope they bring out better technology shortly, so Intel doesn't think they have he market cornered.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What, nobody wants to talk about the Via Cyrix?
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i use that to cook my eggs \o/
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Intel largely because of their F/OSS drivers. But the power efficiency is huge factor for me. 5 years ago I had bought myself an Athlon XP laptop and my dad had got a Centrino. Needless to day, I didn't have to wear oven mitts while using my dads laptop.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Currently Intel
Few moths later AMD
Their Fusion technology looks promising to me.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

who cares, they tend to switch the leading role every 6 months anyway.

i tend to buy amd 'cause their hardware tends to be cheaper and has pretty much exactly the same power, sometimes with less need for cooling... easy decision, no? if intel was better, i'd wait 6 months, then buy amd 'cause by then amd would've taken the leading role. it's been like that for at least a decade now. *shrug*
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AMD gets more bang for the buck. Lower prices, greater performance. But even though they are leading they still tend to be the underdog due to weak marketing.

I myself have an athlon-xp and yeah, it overheats like hell. Current AMD processors already have better cooling unlike before.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrVahn wrote:
AMD gets more bang for the buck. Lower prices, greater performance. But even though they are leading they still tend to be the underdog due to weak marketing.

I myself have an athlon-xp and yeah, it overheats like hell. Current AMD processors already have better cooling unlike before.
I totally agree with you. They need a change in marketing strategy or change the whole department.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrVahn wrote:
AMD gets more bang for the buck. Lower prices, greater performance....


That's true... until you start spooling up the FSB on something cheap like the E6320, I just got one and it's happily running at 3.2Ghz, even clock for clock the C2D performs better.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i hated my last athlon64 3500+
slow as hell, i always wondered why i wasted so much money on it. and the 64bit where totally useless back then, even more then now. what a goddamn crappy cpu

then i bought my t2500 (2x2GHz yonah) core duo. its cooler, more silent, like 29 times faster. i can imagine using this cpu for several years before i need more processing power.

maybe amd's dual core cpus which were sold afterwards are as good as the intels or even better, but i will not take the risk until there is a real reason to buy amd again.
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jsf_x35a wrote:
I like Intel largely because of their F/OSS drivers. But the power efficiency is huge factor for me. 5 years ago I had bought myself an Athlon XP laptop and my dad had got a Centrino. Needless to day, I didn't have to wear oven mitts while using my dads laptop.

5 years ago has nothing in common with today.

I like Intel too because of their F/OSS efforts (e.g. powerTOP just recently). But then, there's the ICC-compiler... which favors Intel-CPUs by a performance-advantage of 10% based on a simple GenuineIntel-check. So, again no support with my money.

@ichbinsisyphos: Uhm, with the Netburst-Pentium4 being the main competition for the first Athlon64, there was quite some heat monster around, unable to reach AMDs performance. So I don't really get your point there. And while it's nice that you were happy with your Yonah-core, a comparison to the much older single-core A64 is a bit unfair. Your next CPU was faster than the former? So what?


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