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abzs2k
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| The Ennead wrote: | | Of course, 9/11 will always have memories attached to it for all of us, and for me, for those reasons amongst others but, as I said before and cokehabit later pointed out, i'm a Brit and we have other memories as well. I fully support the remembering of 9/11 in America and specifically in NY, it was a tragic event and must always be remembered, but I find it somewhat sad that in my own country whilst people are remembering 9/11, they rarely if ever spare the same thought for those who died and were injured in my own city of Manchester, or Warrington, or London, further afield in Ballykelly and the like. |
Ofcourse. The media sensationalizes any story that is of commercial value to them, and people blindly follow the media. On topic of 9/11, I can only say one thing, life goes on...
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Slyde
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| stonent wrote: | http://www.roubaixinteractive.com/usa/index.htm
These tributes were beautiful. One of my favorites was the Volkswagen bulding in Germany. |
Wow. That is still moving... |
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Dr Gonzo
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| littleendian wrote: | | I don't want to throw "fuel into the fire", but to some extent, I can understand what Jeremy_Z means with "how it was used by politicians". Please see one of my earlier replies in this thread, there I write about how fear in the population (generated mostly by the 9/11 attacks) can be used by and in the advantage of the Executive by basically disabling the Legislatives (== senate and house) role as a "controlling instrument of state" (everything is IMHO). |
Yeah, that's a good point.
But, he was speaking, as far as I can tell, more about using the images on television. We don't overdo it on that, at least not these days. It's not like we see campaign commercials with footage of the plane striking the North Tower, or such things.
All in all, though, it's key to remember that politicians use anything and everything they can. Maybe this is very USA-centric, but politics is a dirty game. It's a power struggle, and the people who are involved in it don't know what to do with themselves if they can't get that power. The BIG problem, though, is that many politicians have no clue what to do with that power once they have it. Many say that Bush is this way. Having the job of President of the USA can't be fun. I'm still not sure why anybody would want it. 
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BTW, littleendian, I lived ~45 mins from Munich for about a year. I had a chance to go and my wife and I went on New Year's Eve. It was so great to go back to my old stomping grounds there -- I spent many a weekend in Munich, as it was only a quick train ride. Made me want to go back again and spend a good, long time there.
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Jeremy_Z
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| littleendian wrote: | | docGonzo2000 wrote: | | Jeremy_Z wrote: | | I think the way 9/11 is shown on TV is disgusting. Each time i see it, i remember how it was used by politicians ... sick. |
Who, exactly, are you talking about? |
I don't want to throw "fuel into the fire", but to some extent, I can understand what Jeremy_Z means with "how it was used by politicians". Please see one of my earlier replies in this thread, there I write about how fear in the population (generated mostly by the 9/11 attacks) can be used by and in the advantage of the Executive by basically disabling the Legislatives (== senate and house) role as a "controlling instrument of state" (everything is IMHO).
edit: Please ignore that "lung cancer" part in that earlier reply, it might not be "false" but I realized too late that it isn't very convincing. It's a bad example. |
Yes, i did not want to repeat what you said, and i didn't whant to give names since this would be highly inflamatory.
For example, some famous guy in the administration said voting for a candidate would result in a terrorist attack 
Now, i see that that on TV, should i laught ? cry ? say wtf ? Then i see the WTC again and again.
I don't know how you see that in the US, but some things are clearly wrong, and some people just can't see it.
Now, sure, it is not my country...
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Drewgrange
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Some thoughts on that website above (http://www.roubaixinteractive.com/usa/index.htm):
I had forgotten what kind of reactions happened all around the world in the time following 9/11/01. It really was moving to see people from countries all around the world feeling actual sympathy for America. It made me wonder about our place in the world. Do people in those countries really like the US, but just speak out in hate against it in a Big Brother-ish way (not 1984 big brother, but in the way people act towards their big brother when they're kids)? And would the people of America feel the same way if the same thing happened in another country? Nobody seems to care when India and Pakistan get hit by massive earthquakes, or when night clubs are blown up in Bali, or when a bus is blown up in Isreal. |
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The Ennead
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Drewgrange wrote: | | Nobody seems to care when India and Pakistan get hit by massive earthquakes, or when night clubs are blown up in Bali, or when a bus is blown up in Isreal. |
Exactly my point 
Regarding the use of 9/11 (and I will try to make this my last comment  and it's only an observation) by politicians for there own political ends: It's something I considered myself as it annoys or angers me to the same degree when I hear it but, whilst I admit to beng guilty of that, it is also necessary to admit that it is a somewhat hypocritical stance for us to turn around and say "look at the devestation that has been wrought as an effect of actions X Y Z" and not expect the politicians to do likewise to justify their position. Politicians on "the right" may be guilty of using 9/11 to justify war, but "the left" is equally guilty of using it to justify peace. It is an ends justify the means policy which both "sides" use, no matter how abhorent or hypocritical. I think if there's one point that should stand out it is that crimes such as 9/11 and the like, must be condemned by all. |
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Dr Gonzo
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Jeremy_Z wrote: | For example, some famous guy in the administration said voting for a candidate would result in a terrorist attack
Now, i see that that on TV, should i laught ? cry ? say wtf ? Then i see the WTC again and again.
I don't know how you see that in the US, but some things are clearly wrong, and some people just can't see it.
Now, sure, it is not my country... |
Yeah, I know who that was, and he (supposedly) rectified that, by saying that he meant that it was a choice between 2 different strategies, and that theirs was better. Now, I'm not sure I believe that is what he meant (in fact, I'm pretty sure it's a load of crap.) But, you do have to realize that all of their campaign stops are full of people who are already supporting them. They've even made people sign allegiance to their side in order to get into the place where the speech is being held. Say whatever you want about that, but it's their prerogative to do business that way. This is why we have moderated debates, to stop stuff like that.
I hope you read some of our newspapers. Read the New York Times, the Washington Post, and maybe some smaller local papers. Most now have online editions. You have to realize that your media is not exactly balanced, either, as far as the US is concerned. You guys all have your own agendae, and your media are going to cater to that. It's the nature of commercial journalism.
Of course, I could be wrong.
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Jeremy_Z
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Our media are full of craps to.
I liked that your newspapers "appologies" for misleding their readers about war in iraq, yet they did just that : "sorry for repeating official lies, but it is our job".
Yeah, nice. Now it is official at least.
As for our newspapers, they have been (mostly) bought by Dassault (those who make the Rafale and most Frecnh military aircraft, and more). Now what ? they can decide what is good for us to hear and what is not (there is a recent case about that). So much for free press.
I know the media is not "fair and balanced". But most of the population believe what the see on TV, most of them believe what politicians say .. this is dangerous.
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| bilbravo wrote: | | my dad's birthday is also 9/11... stinks that his birthday (as well as others) will forever be tarnished by such a horrible tragedy. |
It might stink, but it can get worse - my great-grandmother died on my grandmothers birthday party. I don't have any feelings related to this event, since both died when I was really young. But I can imagine that it really sucks being reminded of your mothers death on your birthday.
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| klieber wrote: | OK, folks -- keep it clean and keep it kind. Telling people to shut the fuck up is not acceptable and will not be tolerated.
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mhmm. you tell them~!! |
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| dawnmarie wrote: | | klieber wrote: | OK, folks -- keep it clean and keep it kind. Telling people to shut the fuck up is not acceptable and will not be tolerated.
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mhmm. you tell them~!! |
Necromancing dead threads I see.
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