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chINeSe mIDgEts Apprentice


Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 209 Location: look behind you
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 12:24 am Post subject: 9/11 is tomorrow |
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tomorrows the 3rd anniversary of 9/11.. i dont have anything special to say but i thought i outghta say it...sort of one of them moment of silences..except online (sorry to all those who lost someone ) _________________ ...it must have been very demanding having to learn how to use Microsoft Office, right up there with other lofty challenges like learning how to zip your fly without getting your dick caught. |
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tuam l33t


Joined: 04 May 2004 Posts: 755 Location: CGN, Germany
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 12:32 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, and happy birthday to my former girlfriend - that happened to be not her happiest one...
FF,
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paranode l33t


Joined: 06 Mar 2003 Posts: 679 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 12:34 am Post subject: |
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Hopefully it will not bring yet another political flamewar. _________________ Meh. |
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nerdbert l33t


Joined: 09 Feb 2003 Posts: 981 Location: Berlin
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 12:37 am Post subject: |
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I don't know where you live, but over here it's today.
Apart from that I don't have much to say. I'm surprised that the media didn't come up with "stories" days before. I wouldn't wonder if assaults would happen today. _________________ I'm really wondering what Lovechild is doing nowadays... |
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rjs Tux's lil' helper

Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 146 Location: Oriel College, Oxford
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 12:37 am Post subject: |
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Depends where you live. Over here it is 9/11 already.
EDIT: Beaten to it. |
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nerdbert l33t


Joined: 09 Feb 2003 Posts: 981 Location: Berlin
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 1:17 am Post subject: |
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| tuam wrote: | Yeah, and happy birthday to my former girlfriend - that happened to be not her happiest one...
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9/11 wasn't a special day for me, but I still remember that I was sitting in a cafe with a friend. She picked up the phone and after a minute she rang off saying "my dad usually doesn't make silly jokes (he's a reverend btw) - he just told me that a plane crashed into one of the twin towers". I told her that he must be kidding and shortly after just about every phone in this cafe started to ring.
I'm actually used to strange situations - I've got friends which survived assaults (La Belle) and I still remember what it was like to pass the east German border when I was a kid (they disassembled your car when they felt like someone is hiding in your tank), but if you want to know what actually gave me the creeps it's actually a scene involving 20 people on their cell phone in a mid-Berlin cafe.
In the evening I attended a performance in the Philharmonie, which was part of some twelve-note event. The pianist (being from New York) played some compositions of Schönberg and he requested that the audience wouldn't applaud. Since the audience was mostly japanese (the request was made in german by the director of Berlin's Philharmonie) no one noticed his request. I've never seen any skilled person abusing a piano this way before.
On a personal level it was quite sad, because I had tickets for Hawaii scheduled on 9.15. I had to cancel them because flying would have been insane back then. _________________ I'm really wondering what Lovechild is doing nowadays... |
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Master Bender n00b


Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 18 Location: MI
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 1:20 am Post subject: |
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Doesn't seen that long ago. _________________ Bender we love you!
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archsvile Apprentice


Joined: 16 Jun 2004 Posts: 164 Location: PA
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Ian l33t

Joined: 28 Oct 2002 Posts: 820 Location: Newport, RI
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 3:45 am Post subject: |
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Heh...
I was in 10th grade three years ago, when the principal told us over the PA, we all thought he meant a Cessna (he just said plane, not jet plane). Likewise, the teachers got right back to work ("Anyone need to leave? Nope? Ok, great, now, back to Chemistry, it's not that long till the AP test!"). Needless to say, after about half an hour, kids had gotten online, and found out what was actually going on, the rest of the day, and hell, the rest of the week was wasted. Not to mention that the school's boiler almost exploded two days later, and from what I remember, it would have easily taken out the school if it actually had built up enough pressure to explode. Sitting outside for several hours, breathing in the remains of the WTC is something kind of hard to forget... |
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pjp Administrator


Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 15989 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 3:50 am Post subject: |
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If it weren't for this thread, I wouldn't have realized it. _________________ Safety is my gaol.
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homeobocks Guru


Joined: 19 Dec 2003 Posts: 345 Location: I'm from Canada, and they say I'm a little slow . . . eh?
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:03 am Post subject: |
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| pjp wrote: | | If it weren't for this thread, I wouldn't have realized it. | " _________________ HOW DO I SHOT WEB |
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Moloch Apprentice


Joined: 17 Mar 2003 Posts: 293 Location: Albuquerque, NM, US
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:03 am Post subject: |
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I tend to be an anti-american american, but I can't forget 9/11. I remeber I woke up late, got in the shower, spanked the monkey. After getting ready I walk out of the bathroom and my roomate is like you gotta see this. I look at the TV staring at a buring WTC tower and I'm like wtf?!
At the time only 1 plan hit and reasons were unknown, then the second hit. I left for work. I remeber staring at the TV every 5 minutes and it was quite a horrible feeling watching those buildings collapse live. Then the stupid media covered all that crap till the point I hardly cared anymore.
Crap, it's 9/11 Eastern time as of now. I'm going to visit my mom Saturday... although the date has nothing to do with it. I doubt we'll morn or anything... We'll probably watch some 9/11 crap for like 30 mins to an hour and find something else to do. |
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lagrima Apprentice


Joined: 11 Feb 2004 Posts: 199 Location: Whorenge County
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:35 am Post subject: |
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for my generation of americans, this is the date we will always remember for the rest of our lives...to what we were doing exactly the moment it happened, to what we did the whole day, to how it changed the rest of our lifes in one way of another. anyway its one of thsoe things i just cant say much because there is just so much to say. _________________ "Argent fa molt, amor fa tot" |
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sinisterdomestik l33t


Joined: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 642 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:43 am Post subject: |
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i was in my senior year of high school and was driving to school that mroning when i heard it on the radio. thought it was some kinda joke, maybe it was a prop plane they thought, fluke accident. went to first period and the teacher had it on teh tv. everyone was shocked and still didnt know what was going on. i was talkin with some friends, still thinking that it was all an accident or whatever, i told them i thought it would be funny if the towers fell. totally just saying it to be stupid, not thinking anything of it, ya know. went to second period, and the second plane had hit the second tower, if im not mistaken, and sure as shit, the two towers fell over and i think my whole face went pale. i knew it wasnt bc of what i said, but i still couldnt help but think that i had made a harmless joke earlier and then, i was seeing it happen right before my eyes. i couldnt believe it was happening. my parents took me and my two sisters out of school early that day.
cant believe its been 3 years already. i, and everyone else, will NEVER forget that day _________________ Thou shalt NEVER speak of removing thine Linux
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oniq Guru


Joined: 02 Sep 2002 Posts: 597 Location: Connecticut
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:06 am Post subject: |
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| pjp wrote: | | If it weren't for this thread, I wouldn't have realized it. |
So quickly we forget  _________________ open like a child's mind. |
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crazycat l33t


Joined: 26 Aug 2003 Posts: 838 Location: Hamburg, Germany
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:11 am Post subject: |
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| I dont want to flame on it but just imagine this could be every day for u, u could talk to someone and then see him lying there halved in two parts with a bomb. So it is for many people who die all over the world. I come originally from russia near tchechenien. I had a possibility to talk to people who survived that. And noone here (in germany where i live now) cares. And they die , kids , grown-ups, old men. I can nearly feel it. I mean u know someone and he got killed, and then another one and then another. And noone cares. And many die saving their childern and their lives. And nobody knows. In russia we serve in the army for 2 years and then russians president sends young soldiers to tchechenien and they die there in packs and no one cares, no one does something(it would be unthinkable for every western man). I hate russian president. Americans just dont now this, most of them dont care and the few who know , close eyes, and if they dont they cannot do anything about it, and the ones who can dont care about it. So from my point of view people who died onn 11th of septemer are just a small pile and for me not so near as the suffering of all others. When i lived there i knew a girl and she was killed in an explosion of terrorist attack. And everyone could be born there and could loose his children/loved ones. Any one could have been born there and could kill like drinking tee. So i think the good thing to do on 11th of september would be to watch around u and really really look at averything around and value it because we could be out there and it could be other way around. |
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bilbravo Guru


Joined: 30 May 2003 Posts: 319 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:13 am Post subject: |
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my dad's birthday is also 9/11... stinks that his birthday (as well as others) will forever be tarnished by such a horrible tragedy. _________________ | Starmen.net | |
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Moloch Apprentice


Joined: 17 Mar 2003 Posts: 293 Location: Albuquerque, NM, US
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| crazycat wrote: | | I dont want to flame on it but just imagine this could be every day for u, u could talk to someone and then see him lying there halved in two parts with a bomb. So it is for many people who die all over the world. I come originally from russia near tchechenien. I had a possibility to talk to people who survived that. And noone here (in germany where i live now) cares. And they die , kids , grown-ups, old men. I can nearly feel it. I mean u know someone and he got killed, and then another one and then another. And noone cares. And many die saving their childern and their lives. And nobody knows. In russia we serve in the army for 2 years and then russians president sends young soldiers to tchechenien and they die there in packs and no one cares, no one does something(it would be unthinkable for every western man). I hate russian president. Americans just dont now this, most of them dont care and the few who know , close eyes, and if they dont they cannot do anything about it, and the ones who can dont care about it. So from my point of view people who died onn 11th of septemer are just a small pile and for me not so near as the suffering of all others. When i lived there i knew a girl and she was killed in an explosion of terrorist attack. And everyone could be born there and could loose his children/loved ones. Any one could have been born there and could kill like drinking tee. So i think the good thing to do on 11th of september would be to watch around u and really really look at averything around and value it because we could be out there and it could be other way around. |
You are right a large amount of Americans have not experienced pain and death like what you have described. All I can say is I understand the pain, but most likely will never truly know it like you do. |
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kalisphoenix Apprentice


Joined: 28 Sep 2003 Posts: 211 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:33 am Post subject: |
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I was in the Navy at the time, heh. We got briefed a few times (actually got taken out of training for a few hours) and a contingent of SEALs was brought to guard us (they replaced Marines). Couldn't get off base for a week. All the TVs were blaring Fox News and its imbecilic reports. I remember the next few days they reported the number of put stocks that had been purchased on Northwest and American Airlines.
I also remember that it seemed the entire world offered condolences, and a year and a half later the entire world seemed to be rioting in the streets. It was different, then, because I had just gotten out of the Navy, and I had a completely different perspective on things.
Americans have short memories and very selective vision. How is it possible that the entire country could suffer something this tragic, and have a brief sensation of togetherness disintegrate so rapidly into store-bought Stars and Stripes (made in China) for Soccer moms to put on their cars, the American flag whored as a background for Fox News, a lot of politicians saying what a tragedy it is, biting their lip like old Billy Clinton used to do.... when you can see through their smugness, you can see that they're calculating how many seconds of faux pathos are needed for the maximal vote count.
I remember that people waved to other people that they didn't know, just to say hi, how are ya? I remember that storekeepers would be more courteous, maybe because I was in the military, but they just seemed nicer, less on the lookout for shoplifters. Didn't last, though. The nation stayed the same, except for a little bump in our consciousness, a few more regulations on air travel and a new bureaucracy to support with our taxes. The Department of Reichslander Security, whatever that means. They keep the elephants out of the street. Don't see any elephants, do you? Then they're doing a good job.
Three years. The American flag stickers on the SUVs and minivans have just about peeled off, or faded to white. So much for patriotism. So much for thoughtful concern. As far as I'm concerned, 9/11 was a message from whatever Spinozist God I believe in; repent, or thou shalt have thy buttcheeks parted by Bruno the Love Muffin in eternity. And we've failed the test. This country is damned.
Edit: Hmmph. I forgot that 9/11 is also the two-year anniversary of me getting out of the Navy and smoking a joint across the street from NAVSUBASE GROTON. That pretty much sums up my feelings.
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j-rock n00b


Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 62 Location: Eau Claire, Wisconsin
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:40 am Post subject: |
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I got something to say about it. So what. Its just going to turn into another Dec. 7th. A few generations from now kids are gonna think of 9/11 as just another abstract day that they won't care about. People have to start thinking with their heads and not their hearts.
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pjp Administrator


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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| oniq wrote: | | pjp wrote: | | If it weren't for this thread, I wouldn't have realized it. |
So quickly we forget  | I haven't forgotten, I just didn't know what day it was. If at any random time someone asks me my age, I often have to think about it.
| crazycat wrote: | | I dont want to flame on it but just imagine this could be every day for u, u could talk to someone and then see him lying there halved in two parts with a bomb. | I am in no way trying to belittle the situation you are speaking of. However, there are many places in the US that have a high level of gang violence. They may or may not use bombs, but the killing definately happens.
I am fortunate that I will likely not experience it. _________________ Safety is my gaol.
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gnuageux Veteran


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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:41 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, today (9/11) is my wifes birthday.
| Quote: | | However, there are many places in the US that have a high level of gang violence. They may or may not use bombs, but the killing definately happens. |
There is violence EVERYWHERE. What happened on 9-11 was different in the sense that instead of some loser gang fucking banger getting shot it was mothers and fathers at work etc. _________________ The realOTW: http://forums.realotw.org/index.php
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d_adams Apprentice


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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 7:28 am Post subject: |
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| kalisphoenix wrote: | The American flag stickers on the SUVs and minivans have just about peeled off, or faded to white. So much for patriotism. So much for thoughtful concern. As far as I'm concerned, 9/11 was a message from whatever Spinozist God I believe in; repent, or thou shalt have thy buttcheeks parted by Bruno the Love Muffin in eternity. And we've failed the test. This country is damned.
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Sorry you think that everyone's stickers have faded, along with their patriotism. Mine hasn't. I've made it a point to keep mine from fading.
I even went so far as to buy a window cling that covers the entire rear window of my truck, and it's a huge American flag. I'm on my second one now (first one went with the last truck I had when it was totaled) and if I have to buy a new one every year, I will, just to make sure it doesn't fade. I'm pretty damn proud of what this country represents, on the whole. There are a few things that could be changed, and because it's a democracy, it can be changed. Your attitude is pretty sad though. If you don't like it here, why don't you just MOVE OUT OF THIS COUNTRY AND DON'T COME BACK. _________________ http://www.1and1.com/?k_id=16196755 click me for cheap linux based web hosting. |
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Ateo Advocate


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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 7:33 am Post subject: |
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| gnuageux wrote: | | There is violence EVERYWHERE. What happened on 9-11 was different in the sense that instead of some loser gang fucking banger getting shot it was mothers and fathers at work etc. |
You don't know much about gangs other than what the media feeds you do you? Children die in gang violence too. Most gang members are kids without mothers and fathers who find "family" in gangs.
| d_adams wrote: | | Sorry you think that everyone's stickers have faded, along with their patriotism. Mine hasn't. I've made it a point to keep mine from fading. I even went so far as to buy a window cling that covers the entire rear window of my truck, and it's a huge American flag. I'm on my second one now (first one went with the last truck I had when it was totaled) and if I have to buy a new one every year, I will, just to make sure it doesn't fade. I'm pretty damn proud of what this country represents, on the whole. There are a few things that could be changed, and because it's a democracy, it can be changed. Your attitude is pretty sad though. If you don't like it here, why don't you just MOVE OUT OF THIS COUNTRY AND DON'T COME BACK. |
1. You celebrate your patriotism by displaying sticker on your "truck"? Ooo. You're so patriotic. Can I touch you?
2. I'm a flag burner. Should I move? If so, kick down some money for me to move to a country of my choice or... shut the fuck up and deal with dissent just like we have to deal with a majority ignorant US public.
3. The US is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy. Get an education before opening your foul mouth.
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kalisphoenix Apprentice


Joined: 28 Sep 2003 Posts: 211 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| d_adams wrote: | | kalisphoenix wrote: | The American flag stickers on the SUVs and minivans have just about peeled off, or faded to white. So much for patriotism. So much for thoughtful concern. As far as I'm concerned, 9/11 was a message from whatever Spinozist God I believe in; repent, or thou shalt have thy buttcheeks parted by Bruno the Love Muffin in eternity. And we've failed the test. This country is damned.
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Sorry you think that everyone's stickers have faded, along with their patriotism. Mine hasn't. I've made it a point to keep mine from fading.
I even went so far as to buy a window cling that covers the entire rear window of my truck, and it's a huge American flag. I'm on my second one now (first one went with the last truck I had when it was totaled) and if I have to buy a new one every year, I will, just to make sure it doesn't fade. I'm pretty damn proud of what this country represents, on the whole. There are a few things that could be changed, and because it's a democracy, it can be changed. Your attitude is pretty sad though. If you don't like it here, why don't you just MOVE OUT OF THIS COUNTRY AND DON'T COME BACK. |
Basically the response I was expecting. And now, my prepared statement.
*ahem* I'm staying... just to piss off the people who ostensibly love this country but don't work to change it for the better. Love is not displayed by an alcoholic, sitting in the bar, crying about how much he loves his wife and kids. Love is a course of action consisting of continual effort to improve all facets of the object of that love. So continue to cover your vehicle with your love for the country. I'll vote, volunteer, donate to charity, and try to understand this society and my place in it the best I can.
And this is not a democracy. |
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