Gentoo Musicians

zenon · Apprentice Joined: 09 Oct 2002 Posts: 263

What's the best alternative for sound forge? I have some albums I want to cut and burn It'd be nice to keep gentoo booted.

french tony · Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2003 12:38 am Post subject:

zenon · Apprentice Joined: 09 Oct 2002 Posts: 263

How can I probe ALSA's version to verify I'm using the compatible v0.6.0?

sarnold · Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2003 5:32 am Post subject: what about legacy recordings?

Does it count if I use gentoo to digitize my old analog recordings of my college band? I'm just starting to go through my tapes; I've tried ecawave/ecasound for recording straight from line-in (audio tape).

I made a CD and some mp3s (now I need to start making oggs) with a sample on my old web site here

There's even some bizarro drawings by the drummer...

I've been too much a Dad and working stiff, and not enough of a weird musician lately, but I'd like to contribute something... Maybe a percussion track (since I also have some experience in ethnomusicology). I'll be checking back for the upload/download site for working samples and tracks. What's the status?

Steve

french tony · Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2003 11:26 am Post subject:

mr-simon · Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2003 11:28 am Post subject:

I'm afraid I still have a Windows 2000 boot partition on my computer, and a couple of dedicated ultra-scsi drives, for doing music things. I'd like to be able to use Linux, as I still get frequent lockups and crashes... Unfortunately, the Nord Modular editor does not work on Linux, and there are no drivers for my Yamaha DS2416 24-channel soundcard.

Until there is, and there won't be, because [rant about how bad yamaha's product support snipped

] - I'll be languishing in dual-boot purgatory. *sigh*
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french tony · Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2003 7:02 pm Post subject:

From the latest GWN:

zenon · Apprentice Joined: 09 Oct 2002 Posts: 263

'cmon on guys I'm running the ck sources 2.4.20-ck2 that get ALSA from WOLK 3.6.1 do I have ALSA v0.6.0? I've searched and can't seem to find the answer.

french tony · Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2003 10:37 am Post subject:

zenon, all I can say is that I run ck3, and i emerge alsa rc7, jack and ardour, and it works like a charm... I had to recompile jack and ardour after upgrading to gcc-3.2.
I just recorded some bass on a track, no xruns, smooth as a baby's bottom.

regor:

orb9 · Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2003 10:42 am Post subject:

To check the ALSA version try:

zenon · Apprentice Joined: 09 Oct 2002 Posts: 263

Thanks orb,

lanark · Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 1:07 am Post subject:

Sastraxi · Apprentice Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Posts: 258

I am an experienced saxophonist (tenor sax.), weak pianist, and okay digital musician (like making techno beats and stuff in a program like ModPlug Tracker).

Which reminds me, I've yet to find a tracking program for the linux environment, not too keen on emerging WINE just to use Modplug... =)

krinkle · Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 4:32 am Post subject: turn key

On a slight tangent, has anyone tried the turnkey linux audio thing (http://lulu.esm.rochester.edu/kevine/turnkey/home.html)? it looks interesting. It's currently for mandrake 9.0, but by the look of it, it could be converted =). I installed mandrake just for it. it's installing right now, but it's taking a while becuase it compiles from scratch (seems familiar somehow...

) I'll let you know how it is once it's installed, but i wanted to see if anyone else has used it before (wanted to post before i got lazy =).
--Andrew

french tony · Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 9:38 am Post subject:

krinkle:
I have wated to try to install planet ccrma on getoo, but I haven't had the time yet. Moreover, why should I install binaries on my gentoo?
Now here is an idea:
Why don't we make our own?
Portage is the ideal tool. What we need is more msic software ebuilds, then make one ebuild that depends on all of these packages. There is already a media-sound folder in the portage tree. We need to agree what packages are needed, and start making ebuilds...

Lets do it! I can I submit this idea to the dev team? filling a bug report?

zypher · Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 2:09 pm Post subject:

Sigh...
Well, jack-cvs is installed on my machine and still freezes the whole box from time to time.
Ardour runs fine but the window is wider than my display and resizing is not possible...
I'm at the point where I must ask myself wether there is a point in still trying to use my linux laptop to remaster audio or just to stick with the neat win-tools I have.
At least I can record some audio (more or less comfortable) with audacity.
Even slab (several years old) still beats most of the software mentioned in this thread or in the tunkey collection. At least for me.
As soon as these progs are usuable I'll check them out. And speaking of testing and feedback to the developers the most promising project in my view is protux which I will watch closely.
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french tony · Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 7:43 pm Post subject:

krinkle · Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2003 2:46 am Post subject:

Reading this post, I can't help but think of some cool things that we could do. But there needs to be some things done before we get there. First, we need to have more music ebuilds. I know that you guys are working on them, but i think that we need to make a how-to to go along w/ them, kinda like the desktop configuration guide, but for audio (duh). I am new to the whole computer recording thing, so i know what i WANT to do, but i have no idea how to do it... what programs to use etc. I would start this, but I have so little time available, that it would be another started, but only 10% done project =) But i think that a digital audio workstation (DAW) howto would be very useful, and probably get some new people over to gentoo. Lastly, and i know this is getting a bit crazy, maybe have an ebuild that will make a system that will be used exclusively as a DAW, not just a multi-purpose workstation. All the audio related patches tossed on the kernel, only the neccessary services running (to decrease latency), etc. Maybe have a customized window manager (like fluxbox, something simple) that's only real task is helping you get your music going. Keep it simple, but very powerful. I'm not sure if all this makes sense (been a long day), but just wanted to toss the idea out there.
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zenon · Apprentice Joined: 09 Oct 2002 Posts: 263

IMO installing the ck sources should be in that guide too... They are serving me very well and performing like a real champ. The Gentoo sources didn't agree with me and on my system had major latency problems with my HID mouse.

zypher · Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2003 6:13 am Post subject:

OTOH I had problems with compiling alsa when using ck4-sources.
Now I switched back to vanilla+lowlatency-patch and everything's fine.
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orb9 · Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2003 10:49 am Post subject:

Hi krinkle & french tony, i like the idea of having an ebuild to turn my gentoo box into a DAW. Something like the KDE ebuild, which emerges quite a lot of other things. Would be nice to just do:

french tony · Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2003 11:11 am Post subject:

orb9,
I talked with jje who is the developper in charge of music apps for gentoo. He has a backlog of ebuilds he needs to work on to commit to portage.
The first stage will be for him to get jack apps up and running and playing nice together. about "emerge daw": he likes the conccept of a umbrella ebuild for music apps, but not until there is enough apps in portage.
He suggested that docs sould be worked on.
Maybe you can share your experience with the vanilla sources (latency tests and stuff), so can have a round up of different kernel sources or something like that?

gigel · Guru Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Posts: 343 Location: .RO

i am a classical guitar player(but i'm looking for an electric one)
so what software should i use to emulate a distorsion processor
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zenon · Apprentice Joined: 09 Oct 2002 Posts: 263

orb, for me the biggest selling point on the CK sources is the integrated ALSA. My ALSA module is compiled right into my kernel (actualy everything is right in my kernel... I like to have it all self-contained) and is THE reason I got it because compiling ALSA as a module just *would-not-work* on my setup. I got ALSA working in the kernel on the first compile, I still had some mouse problems so I upped the latency clock from the default 100 to ~5-600 and now gentoo has better latency than WinXp. If that patch is the same as the latency setting I set and you can get ALSA working then maybe the ck sources will just save you the time of applying the patches? although I think they've done a few more tweaks so it'll run better on a desktop... but don't quote me on that.

If you really want to do this integrated linux box one emerge thing you need to find the dude that devolped the mixing suite that looked like propellerhead's reason and get him to start maintaining it again.

zypher · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2003 1:47 pm Post subject:

Maybe you'd like to have some low-end-machine-comparison. Here are some testresults (though I'm not sure if I can read them...)

Both are from the same machine, a Dell Latitude CPt V466GT.
(Celeron 466, 256MB, 8,5GB hd udma66)
I'm running X4.3.0, wm was pwm as user, ./do_tests ran as root from an xterm:
./do_tests none 3 256 400000000

1.: With 2.4.0-ck3 sources
http://hometown.aol.de/wimdk/lowlat_benchmarks/2.4.20-ck3/html/3x256.html

2.: With vanilla 2.4.0 + lowlatency-patch applied
http://hometown.aol.de/wimdk/lowlat_benchmarks/2.4.20-lowlat/html/3x256.html

Alsa drivers are 0.9.0-r6.

As you can see, I have to tweak a bit I think

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