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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:56 pm    Post subject: Linux almost got me kicked out of high school Reply with quote

I was in computer science two days ago, and we had to login to do an assignment. Since it was the first day of school, we had to activate our accounts. The way they did this, was by having our locker numbers, and our student ID numbers, and entering them as passwords. The problem was that I didnt have my locker number. So instead of sitting there not doing anything staring a windows login screen, I popped in my copy of knoppix I carry in my backpack, restarted the computer, and started using mozilla for the assignment.

I get called into the office today, I'm in trouble for bypassing computer security and accessing the network. Supposedly they believe I cracked the windows login screen, and was able to use programs which weren't even installed on the computer.

They threaten to expell me, yell at me, and the whole time I'm explaining to them what I did was not wrong. Then they start yelling that I could have put a virus on the network and that they should charge me for that too. They calmed down, and made a deal with me, I was to tell them how I did it (you'd think me explaining it 50 times would have done it), and I'd get to stay in school with no punishment at all.

Later on I got another call to the office, they've decided to put me in a more advanced computer class, this one takes place in a college classroom. So I guess the real point is, Linux not only almost got me expelled, it got me placed into a college class.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's what happens when idoits run schools
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you should offer your school to do some 'security consulting' for them. If they agree, charge them 10$ per machine to disable boot-off-cd and password-protect the BIOS.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voltago wrote:
I think you should offer your school to do some 'security consulting' for them. If they agree, charge them 10$ per machine to disable boot-off-cd and password-protect the BIOS.


Brilliant! :lol:
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voltago wrote:
I think you should offer your school to do some 'security consulting' for them. If they agree, charge them 10$ per machine to disable boot-off-cd and password-protect the BIOS.



That is an aswome idea. But i don't think they will take him seriously. Unfortuanatly people in their positions look at students as "kids" and not someone that could have a brillant idea or even be smarter than they are.


And what I don't get, if you where in a computer class, shouldn't the instructor have known enough about them to know you weren't doing anything destructive. If he/she wasn't smart enough to know that, should they really be teaching a computer science clas??!! 8O
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voltago wrote:
I think you should offer your school to do some 'security consulting' for them. If they agree, charge them 10$ per machine to disable boot-off-cd and password-protect the BIOS.

lol
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good thing they caught you. You know those linux viruses can be nasty....

Seriously, people are morons.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hehe, I thought of doing something similar (though my school has little security). I was going to bring KNOPPIX to school one day, but I am too much of a goodie two shoes, and we weren't supposed to put cds in the comp because we might get viruses (even though my computer had over 10000 spyware registry keys and files).

One thing I did do though, was access my VNC server from school and do work there, but sadly I did not get put in an advanced computer class (of course, the highest thing we have is "Programming 2", which is uber basic VB crap). Yeah, only one teacher in my school has used linux to my knowledge, and none others seem to know what Linux, Openoffice, Firefox, dvorak or anything like that is.

Funny though, if you ever use more computing knowledge than "THis is a double-click", you are either seen by faculty as some illegal hacker or some smart aleck genius. WHy do I have to be some hacker if I use Vim?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

heh i remember bypassing my junior high's secutrity mesures of 'deleting' the icons for windows explorer by using microsoft office's file search program.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The security at my highschool was so lax, I was never really into hacking but this was some of the stuff I could do. You weren't supposed to be albe to save stuff to the computer's hd's but they left regedit open and I was able to disable the driver that erased everything, I kept a massive mp3 collection. I also found an interesting program one day in the windows dir that gave me the names and groups of all the accounts. I went through all of the admin acc. and tried the default's but no go, but i found and interesting acc. called superuser that was part of a separate group, and they left password at default, it had a program to anyone's password in the school on it! I had some fun with that! After that I started messing with the mail server(because I could commandeer any account I didn't have to be to carefull), I learned stmp(or something like that) commands
and I could send mail to everyone in the school with fake addresses. Eventually I found out the name of main account on mail server and it's password default to so I could read everyone's mail, but there was no juciey stuff, all just boring school stuff. The teachers all used hotmail for personal stuff.

Oh I also used a reg. hack to reset the proxy sever of my machine to one that wasn't filtered, so I could d/l pr0n.

I was able to do all this and never get caught once, I wasn't even discreet about it, that how clueless the 1 tech. was, alought he did have to look after 400 machines.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The master password for our entire school's computer system is common knowledge among all the computer geeks who go there. Any one of these geeks can remotely control any computer in the school or view anyones computer screen in the school.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yamamushi, thats so not fair man! I cant boot from cdrom or the floppy drive on all the computers at my school >:-(. And the bios is password protected. Damnit... why do I get stuck with admins that actually know something!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 1:01 am    Post subject: Re: Linux almost got me kicked out of high school Reply with quote

yamamushi wrote:
I popped in my copy of knoppix I carry in my backpack.


lol so do i :wink:

acidburn wrote:

That is an aswome idea. But i don't think they will take him seriously. Unfortuanatly people in their positions look at students as "kids" and not someone that could have a brillant idea or even be smarter than they are.


yea pretty much... thats what my friend got for trying to print the "how to setup x" doc at school :roll:

i do commend my school they do have some mac's in one of the compy labs, though they teach with virtual pc (win 95) so its like an empty pride :?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

geekanarchy wrote:
You know those linux viruses can be nasty....
You tell me! I just booted this Knoppix once last year and my box is still full of Linux and I can't get rid of it :twisted:
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And the bios is password protected.
I wonder if this AWARD_SW stuff still works... :oops:
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there was somebody else on the forum who put knoppix on School PC and got in some trouble for it too cant recall tho. Anyway yea its funny that they flip out like that.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HA HA HA!!!! That's great! What a bunch of idiots!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LoL, in high school, they tried to keep students from saving to the drives. However, they only disabled it in explorer...command was still 100% usable lol :roll:
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My little brother got taken to court by his high school and convicted of some sort of hacking charge because he opened up "network neighborhood" and saved some files(no porn or anything) on a world writable share. :evil:
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

psyqil wrote:
geekanarchy wrote:
You know those linux viruses can be nasty....
You tell me! I just booted this Knoppix once last year and my box is still full of Linux and I can't get rid of it :twisted:
PseudoKrazy wrote:
And the bios is password protected.
I wonder if this AWARD_SW stuff still works... :oops:


Call me stupid... but I dont get it. o.O :oops: A quick google leads me to believe its the default password for some bios?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the main reasons they let me stay, is because I didnt just boot up knoppix to mess around with the computer, I used knoppix to do my classwork. They didn't feel right about punishing me like that, for doing schoolwork. If I had been looking up pr0n or something, that would be an entirely different story.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in middle school, we really hated the teacher in charge of the tech department. so we would do all we could to get her pissed off, but not too much. One day we saved about 100 random pictures off of google, with porn names. I bookmarked linux pages, and saved them as 'kernel hacking', and 'hackers operating system', and many other things. Later on I get called into the office, and she's basically telling the vice principal that I was putting porn on my computer. I told him to look at the pictures, obviously she hadn't. When he opened them up, her face turned red like a spanked monkey's ass. a picture named "hot pics" was a picture of the space shuttle, XXX was a picture of a telephone, rim job was a picture of a car, lots of other pointless things. needless to say, she was very pissed off.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PseudoKrazy wrote:
A quick google leads me to believe its the default password for some bios?
It used to work well on older machines, I doubt you could use it on any recent box, and if you try: I haven't told you so! :D Well, if it doesn't work, ask google...Did I already mention not to get yourself in trouble?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I installed Mozilla Firefox on a computer at school in my account, since I couldn't stand anymore, no tabs, popups, exploits and so on. I almost got into major trouble for doing that... Yet, just this summer, several 'severe' exploits for IE were found. Too bad they can't use the SP2 which fixes this. They're still running 2000 (Unless SP2 works for 2000? Not sure, as I don't keep up with what goes on in the Windows world) I'll see if the exploits were patched when I go back to school in two weeks... or better yet, I would love seeing Mozilla Firefox installed on those computers when I go back, I would almost have to laugh in the face of the computer teacher.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to patch windows to make it secure(as secure as it can be) because Microsoft very kindly built IE into WinXP along with all it's insecurties, chaging browsers only works for a few bugs.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh. Our school used to run on this stupid RM thing.

Once i downloaded a password field revealer w/ source to inspect the source. The next morning I went to the IT Room and logged in. And my Internet Explorer icon was missing. Anyway I didn't think much of it (RM was a buggy little bitch). I just created another desktop to Internet Explorer and started using it. Now I had to get something printed in colour. So I went to the IT office and asked them to print out the stuff. As soon as I told them my username, they told me they had "disabled" the internet on my account because they need to speak to me about that "hacker" software. :roll: :lol:

Anyway I got that sorted out and everything else went well.
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