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Titeuf
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 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 5:23 pm Post subject: flash and konqueror |
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I've read on those forums, that to use flash, you need a 32bit browser.
Is it possible to only recompile konqueror using 32bit, so that I can use flash with it ? |
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Corona688
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| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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You need a mozilla-variant. Try mozilla-firefox-bin in combination with netscape-flash.
Konqueror is NOT supported by macromedia, at all. See [url=http://www.macromedia.com/software/flash/productinfo/systemreqs/]here[/i].
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J.M.I.T.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Corona688 wrote: | Macromedia does NOT support konqueror(see here for supported browsers), so it won't work even with 32-bit konqueror.
Try mozilla-firefox-bin in combination with netscape-flash. |
you're wrong... konqueror can integrate a lot of plugins of mozilla/firefox... you can import those netscape-plugins in the settings dialog... but i don't know how to recompile konqueror 32bit-only...
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Titeuf
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| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| I know about firefox-bin, but I want to stay with Konqueror. |
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Darian
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| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, Flash works great in Konqueror.
1. emerge netscape-flash
2. In Konqueror, look under Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Plugins
3. click "Scan for new plugins"
I seem to remember that one needed motif in the USE flags to get flash working in Konqueror... or maybe that was to get java working. But then motif isn't even a possible use flag for the latest kdebase release candidate, so maybe I'm just remembering a bad dream I had. |
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Titeuf
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| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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I tried that, and I also tried the latest version (not through portage) but Konqueror doesn't detect them.
The directorys are correct.
Is this because those plugins are 32-bit and konqueror 64-bit ? |
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mr_andy_main
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| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Although I don't have a solution you could ask on a SuSE list or forum. I know that konqeror and flash work in that, and knoqueror is supposed to be 64bit compiled. |
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Titeuf
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| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I've asked it on the suse forums. And I wait now for an answer. |
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Titeuf
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| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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32bit plugins should work with 64bit konqueror.
See here and here
But why doesn't konqueror detect them ? |
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Fix-85
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| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Darian wrote: | Yes, Flash works great in Konqueror.
1. emerge netscape-flash
2. In Konqueror, look under Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Plugins
3. click "Scan for new plugins"
I seem to remember that one needed motif in the USE flags to get flash working in Konqueror... or maybe that was to get java working. But then motif isn't even a possible use flag for the latest kdebase release candidate, so maybe I'm just remembering a bad dream I had. |
Works Great, thanks ! |
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Titeuf
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| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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For those where flash works: what version do you use of kde ?
I'm using kde 3.2.3 |
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Fix-85
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| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Titeuf wrote: | For those where flash works: what version do you use of kde ?
I'm using kde 3.2.3 |
I'm using 3.2.2, I'm just too lazy to run an update world  |
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alshain
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| Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 8:14 am Post subject: |
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| Titeuf wrote: | 32bit plugins should work with 64bit konqueror.
See here and here
But why doesn't konqueror detect them ? |
Well, I've yet to get any 32-bit plugin working with 64-bit konqueror. Are those posts just wishful thinking?
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Titeuf
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| Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 10:06 am Post subject: |
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| alshain wrote: | Well, I've yet to get any 32-bit plugin working with 64-bit konqueror. Are those posts just wishful thinking?
Andrew |
I think those posts are serious, because it works for other people |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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I tried it to, but no success here either. But i know that the SuSE 9.1 Konqueror from the AMD64 Version of 9.1 does play Flash Animations. I thought they compiled it as 32bit konqueror but it seems it was indeed 64bit.
Maybe it has anything to do with this multilib thing? I thought i did add this feature with my new install but i may be wrong. |
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Corona688
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After messing with 64-bit mozilla for weeks, I finally decided to prove for good whether 32-bit libs can be used by 64-bit ones. I did the simplest thing possible: I tried loading a 32-bit .so in a 32-bit executable. Not even running anything in it, mind you, just loading. Here's the code: | Code: | #include <SDL/SDL.h>
#include <SDL/SDL_loadso.h>
#include <stdio.h>
int main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
int n;
if(SDL_Init(0)<0) return(1);
for(n=1; n<argc; n++)
{
void *obj=SDL_LoadObject(argv[n]);
if(obj==NULL)
fprintf(stderr,"Couldn't load shared object %s\n",argv[n]);
else
{
fprintf(stderr,"Loaded shared object %s\n",argv[n]);
SDL_UnloadObject(obj);
}
}
SDL_Quit();
return(0);
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compile with 'gcc loadso.c -lSDL -lpthread' for 64-bit, throw in a -m32 flag for 32-bit.
The answer is no. No matter what I did, 64-bit executables could not load 32-bit libraries. 64-bit ones could load 64-bit ones, and 32-bit ones could load 32-bit ones, but they cannot work together, at least not in the ordinary way.
There is a fundamental difference between 32-bit and 64-bit, being that pointers are twice as large. This messes up everything from strings to call stacks. It'd take something like vmware to communicate between them.
That said, if konqueror CAN use 32-bit plugins, that would be phenominal. I'm just not holding my breath.
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Corona688
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| Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Titeuf wrote: | | alshain wrote: | Well, I've yet to get any 32-bit plugin working with 64-bit konqueror. Are those posts just wishful thinking?
Andrew |
I think those posts are serious, because it works for other people |
Show me ONE person who can demonstrate 32-bit flash working under 64-bit konqueror to me and I'll happily admit that I'm full of shit, but right now I'm forced to agree that those posts are wishful thinking.
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secondshadow
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| Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| Corona688 wrote: | After messing with 64-bit mozilla for weeks, I finally decided to prove for good whether 32-bit libs can be used by 64-bit ones. I did the simplest thing possible: I tried loading a 32-bit .so in a 32-bit executable. Not even running anything in it, mind you, just loading. Here's the code: | Code: | #include <SDL/SDL.h>
#include <SDL/SDL_loadso.h>
#include <stdio.h>
int main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
int n;
if(SDL_Init(0)<0) return(1);
for(n=1; n<argc; n++)
{
void *obj=SDL_LoadObject(argv[n]);
if(obj==NULL)
fprintf(stderr,"Couldn't load shared object %s\n",argv[n]);
else
{
fprintf(stderr,"Loaded shared object %s\n",argv[n]);
SDL_UnloadObject(obj);
}
}
SDL_Quit();
return(0);
} |
compile with 'gcc loadso.c -lSDL -lpthread' for 64-bit, throw in a -m32 flag for 32-bit.
The answer is no. No matter what I did, 64-bit executables could not load 32-bit libraries. 64-bit ones could load 64-bit ones, and 32-bit ones could load 32-bit ones, but they cannot work together, at least not in the ordinary way.
There is a fundamental difference between 32-bit and 64-bit, being that pointers are twice as large. This messes up everything from strings to call stacks. It'd take something like vmware to communicate between them.
That said, if konqueror CAN use 32-bit plugins, that would be phenominal. I'm just not holding my breath. |
You assumtions about interoperating 32-bit and 64-bit libraries are both correct and incorrect. This subject has be covered in length in other places. There are a 2 major methods by which to write 32-bit libraries that call 64-bit ones. One is called thunking, I forget what the other is. Don't believe me? Go check out the nVidia OpenGL drivers. A few version back they added 32-bit support. How do you think they did that hrrrm? Its just not QUITE as straight forward as simply loading the library, meaning yes, there is a bit more work involved. |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| secondshadow wrote: | | There are a 2 major methods by which to write 32-bit libraries that call 64-bit ones. One is called thunking, I forget what the other is. Don't believe me? Go check out the nVidia OpenGL drivers. A few version back they added 32-bit support. How do you think they did that hrrrm? Its just not QUITE as straight forward as simply loading the library, meaning yes, there is a bit more work involved. |
I never said that it wasn't possible to interface 32-bit libraries with 64-bit ones, just that they're not interoperable. And if a konqueror developer has invented a universal thunk for 32-bit libraries, they should rip it out of konqueror and put it in the kernel.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:02 am Post subject: |
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you can use 32bit plugins with konqueror on suse, i just dont know how they do it. i'd really like to know... i think konq might have a seperate plugin handler that isnt linked into the browser proper, and results are mapped onto a window in the browser... regardless, something somewhere is compiled 32bit so it's not like they do it with magic. and right now multilib support in gentoo is a tad iffy...
patches are more than welcome.. |
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LaNcom
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| Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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KDE uses nspluginviewer to access plugins. I guess that nspluginviewer uses DCOP to communicate with Konqui, and maybe DCOP works between 32bit and 64bit apps. So, maybe SUSE just uses a 32bit nspluginviewer on 64bit KDE, this should do the trick. Did someone actually try that out?
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The other way is 'system call emulation', I think... |
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Titeuf
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| Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, tnx for the help, but I'm almost done installing 32bit gentoo |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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if u do | Code: | | emerge mozilla-fix (not the bin) |
firefox is compiled 64-bit, i'm right? but flash still works with this 64bit firefox. but same problem here with konqueror 
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Gentoo on AMD64
