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It's probably already been said, but since Gentoo hasn't had a release since 10.0 or 10.1 (10th anniversary edition) it hasn't shown up in recently updated distros list. It's just been hanging out in Distrowatch's sidebar where it's much harder to notice it.
If you really wanted to raise Gentoo's ranking, the devs could throw out a "new version" that isn't really a new version and it'd get a big chunk of real estate on Distrowatch's homepage with a logo and a nice writeup.
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Good riddance.
Also: Maybe there should be an automated announcement with a changelog posted to the front page every time a weekly install CD is built. Maybe then people will stop using the amount of noise a distro makes as a measure of its quality. |
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| djm wrote: | Whilst for the last few days Gentoo has had a red arrow by it on the distrowatch page, for quite a while it's had a green arrow most days with the odd no change
We were recently overtaken by slackware though 
I'm sure there is a correlation between hits per day on distrowatch and the number of users of that distro, even if it's not the be all and end all of linux related statistics |
We can model this relationship with a differential equation:
y' = kx'
y = users that have visited the distrowatch page
x = users that have installed the distribution
k = a constant
| Ant_P wrote: | Good riddance.
Also: Maybe there should be an automated announcement with a changelog posted to the front page every time a weekly install CD is built. Maybe then people will stop using the amount of noise a distro makes as a measure of its quality. |
That is a good idea. It would also help expose Gentoo Linux to the Ubuntu Linux people, who do not know that there are such things as Linux distributions, and know much less that they have a choice in them and that they have more options with other distributions. |
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That statistic doesn't mean less people are interested. It just means, that of the average Linux interested person, more people are not using Gentoo. So the peak was 2004.5, but could be less users than today?
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Can we in this graph actually see how Ubuntu breaks their users system with every new release   |
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| disi wrote: |
That statistic doesn't mean less people are interested. It just means, that of the average Linux interested person, more people are not using Gentoo. So the peak was 2004.5, but could be less users than today? |
That statistic could mean that Gentoo Linux users do not need as much assistance as users of other Linux distributions, so they search for information less. |
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Have a quick read on how google creates their "Search Volume Index" ?
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1. How does Google Trends work?
Google Trends analyzes a portion of Google web searches to compute how many searches have been done for the terms you enter, relative to the total number of searches done on Google over time. We then show you a graph with the results – our Search Volume Index graph.
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More people are using google. There are more broadband users online now than in 2004 (I'd wager the proportion of Linux users online vs total online in 2004 was higher than it is today), there are more people using google, there are more people using alternative browsers that have google as their default search engine. Simply put, google's search volume has skyrocketed from 2004 => current
100k of 1 billion > 200k of 200 billion
Growth in number, decrease in proportion. SVI == proportion. |
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you want somewhat of a metric that's actually useful at determining growth in interest
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/gentoo.org#
use the nifty little "compare" feature, and show me somewhere that gentoo has had a sustained decline, or somewhere that another major distro's website has leapfrogged gentoo's
Look at traffic rank as well - you'll note gentoo is just about on par with CentOS and Fedora. This little "niche" distro of ours seems to be getting a comparable increase, and comparable traffic, to those of two "mainstream" distros. Of course Ubuntu is way ahead of everyone, as is Debian.
While you're there, look at pageviews/user, and time on site. Look who's up top? Seems gentoo users tend to RTFM a bit more than users of other distros ^_^
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| cach0rr0 wrote: | you want somewhat of a metric that's actually useful at determining growth in interest
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/gentoo.org#
use the nifty little "compare" feature, and show me somewhere that gentoo has had a sustained decline, or somewhere that another major distro's website has leapfrogged gentoo's
While you're there, look at pageviews/user, and time on site. Look who's up top? Seems gentoo users tend to RTFM a bit more than users of other distros ^_^ |
Well, you do not have to go that far. Look at, yes forums.gentoo.org main page. At the end it says right now
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In total there are 170 users online :: 17 Registered, 7 Hidden and 146 Guests [ Administrator ] [ Moderator ] [ Developer ]
Most users ever online was 1850 on Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:17 pm
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In the last half a year or longer I never saw over 200 users online - 10 times less than a max in 2004. You can see that by listing 24-hour posts.
Currently it occupies 3 pages of topics, with new post appearing every 5 min or so. It used to be dozens of pages, with a post disappearing from the first page in a matter of minutes. |
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| dmpogo wrote: |
In the last half a year or longer I never saw over 200 users online - 10 times less than a max in 2004. You can see that by listing 24-hour posts.
Currently it occupies 3 pages of topics, with new post appearing every 5 min or so. It used to be dozens of pages, with a post disappearing from the first page in a matter of minutes. |
I don't know this is true but it is a thought. This could be because people have learned to read the docs first then post. It could also be that Gentoo has gotten a lot better as far as upgrades go as well. They also have more docs too.
Let's also not forget that we have a mailing list in addition to the forums. Most of the time when I search using google for something I have a issue with, I get a mailing list archive with solutions. Sometimes I get a solution on the forums but it seems I find it more often on the mailing list archives.
I also recall someone posting a good while back that had been using Gentoo for over a year. He had never posted on the forums or a mailing list during that time. He read the docs and searched the forums but was not registered. I found it amazing that a person was willing to actually read and search for answers instead of posting and waiting for replies.
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| Don't forget IRC - #gentoo is the second biggest channel on Freenode. |
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| Etal wrote: | | Don't forget IRC - #gentoo is the second biggest channel on Freenode. |
Yep. I did forget that one. It seems a lot of people, especially devs, are on IRC. I been on there a few times but mostly google or use the mailing lists.
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| Etal wrote: | | Don't forget IRC - #gentoo is the second biggest channel on Freenode. |
That sounds like a problem. Did you file a bug report? |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| dmpogo wrote: | Well, you do not have to go that far. Look at, yes forums.gentoo.org main page. At the end it says right now
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In total there are 170 users online :: 17 Registered, 7 Hidden and 146 Guests [ Administrator ] [ Moderator ] [ Developer ]
Most users ever online was 1850 on Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:17 pm
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In the last half a year or longer I never saw over 200 users online - 10 times less than a max in 2004. You can see that by listing 24-hour posts. |
That maximum coincided with a known phpBB exploit so shouldn't be taken at face value.
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| tomk wrote: | | dmpogo wrote: | Well, you do not have to go that far. Look at, yes forums.gentoo.org main page. At the end it says right now
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In total there are 170 users online :: 17 Registered, 7 Hidden and 146 Guests [ Administrator ] [ Moderator ] [ Developer ]
Most users ever online was 1850 on Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:17 pm
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In the last half a year or longer I never saw over 200 users online - 10 times less than a max in 2004. You can see that by listing 24-hour posts. |
That maximum coincided with a known phpBB exploit so shouldn't be taken at face value. |
Point taken, but look at our own statistics at the top of this page
https://forums.gentoo.org/statistics.php
It says that over the lifetime of the forum there is 1675 posts / per day average. Which comes to 1.16 posts per minute.
Now look at current 'posts from last 24 hours'. You'll see that posts come at 1 per 3-5 minutes at best. Just counted - 15 posts in the last 80 minutes,
1 post per 5.33 minutes. Even less over longer period - it took 7 hours to fill first page of 50 posts to this moment today.
1 post per 8.4 minutes. So unless most went into non-english language ones, or hidden somehow, there is indication of less activity. |
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Heh, I didn't even know of this site called distrowatch before I happened to tumble upon this thread here.
For one, I'm a newbie to Linux, for another, I don't really care about statistics like that.
First, I tried Ubuntu a couple of installs but it didn't really appeal to me.
Somehow I found Gentoo, don't remember how, but I just liked it and been using it now for weeks, or months, not sure but either way, I like it a lot more than Ubuntu.
The forum is great, so many helpful people around, and that is what is keeping it going, I think.
Not some statistics, as long as it's not a competition, right?
And even though I'm inexperienced, from what I've learned while installing Gentoo, making it run and running it for quite some time, I have no doubt it's still going strong. I can't really compare it to others, that's a con, but it surely seems doing well to me.
Just my thoughts anyways. ;d
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