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Ben2040
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Hi
You set what 'screen furniture' you want inside fvwm, wher you can choose panel and pager, just panel, small panel etc. There is also a nothing option.
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joey_knisch
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| Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| japsu wrote: | | BTW, how resource hungry and/or slow Metisse actually is? I've only heard it should be noticeably lighter than Sun's Looking Glass. Is Metisse usable in every-day use with a modern (AMD XP 2400+, 512 MiB DDR SDRAM, nVIDIA GeForce 5200) computer? |
I am using a nVidia GeForce ti4200 on an AMD 1400, 512 DDR PC2100.
This runs absolutly amazing. It is not a bit jittery at all. If I saw right it only uses around 64 mbs of system memory.
It also allows for desktops such as nautilus. Pretty freakin sweet.
Moving windows no longer taxes the system at all. It seems pretty stable as long as I don't run gmplayer. I am able to run mplayer using the "-vo x11" command line option.
I have been waiting for this system for ever. Thank god someone finally implimented it. |
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Cornfed
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| Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 2:41 am Post subject: |
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Argh. I emerged metisse and tried to run it. All I get is
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[FVWM][main]: <<ERROR>> can't open display 127.0.0.1:1
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I read that this needs FVWM (though the ebuild didn't require it) so I emerged that, and tried it again. Everything I do simply gives me the same error. I tried using -wd :0 with no love.
Can anyone dumb this down for me? |
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Gentist
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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I got it to work, though it seem to die completely while compiling something, which is bad... I dunno if this is due to some of my own settings or if it's Metisse which isn't optimized.
I have a few questions though...
Is it easy to skin it, and how do I go about doing that?
Is it possible to kill a window manager without killing X? What I want to do is to be able to switch between Fluxbox and Metisse without having to restart all the programs again. |
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patm1987
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:03 am Post subject: |
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compiling just eats cpu cycles, everything goes slow when doing that (I wish I could limit it to just one processor though).
But, any chance of a metisse 3.5 ebuild? or will I have to make the source (or setup an ebuild, but I've never done that before and will most likely f something up). |
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Chickpea
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| patm1987 wrote: | | But, any chance of a metisse 3.5 ebuild? or will I have to make the source (or setup an ebuild, but I've never done that before and will most likely f something up). |
Yea, I am curious too.
Also, is anyone still currently using this WM? And can you still use your regular FVWM? I noticed that it is Blocked in portage if you already have fvwm already installed.
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patm1987
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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I don't get that either, since it uses a different fvwm and everything. it shouldn't have any conflicts.
I still use it though, except when I'm playing 3d games or modeling in 3d (in which case you need 3.5 cause 3.4 can't run ogl apps)
I'm stuck with 3.4 till someone makes an ebuild, or I get time, cause I need to model a scene from beowulf, then write this freaky tic tac toe program in java (we get the most pointless apps to write in that class) |
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Chickpea
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| patm1987 wrote: |
I'm stuck with 3.4 till someone makes an ebuild, or I get time, cause I need to model a scene from beowulf, then write this freaky tic tac toe program in java (we get the most pointless apps to write in that class) |
Well, I am impatient so I simply renamed my ebuilds to reflect the changes. Probably not the best option but who cares. I played around with it for a bit and it is okay. I was also able to use my normal Fvwm but only partially. There is a note about the fvwm binary being called "fvwmi" and the modules being moved to a diff location. The Fvwm that is in portage is nicely patched and I am used to it. Didn't really want to spend the time looking thru all of the config files. I rather like the setup I have now. Not fancy at all, but just enough eye candy.
The transparency stuff seemed okay but I did notice that some of my swap space was used and I have not ever had that happen before, but i also don't have a ton of ram.
Perhaps with a little more willingness on my part to convert my theme would work but I have other things to do right now. |
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patm1987
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| Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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guess that's the way to do it
I finished my rendering, and will boot back in2 metisse for java stuff.
it would be nice to have an ebuild, I work on that. I'm having trouble finding premade themes (.theme doesn't seem to be a standard), so I still need to make my own color theme (wtf, cyan?), and window decorations (the only one with a close button is the xp theme !?!), but all in due time
I'm gonna have to search where to copy new ebuilds that aren't in portage, remember doing it when I used love sources awhile ago (before my p4 machine). |
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Chickpea
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| Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:52 am Post subject: |
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You would put ebuilds in /usr/local/portage typically. That is what is referred to as the portage overlay directory. And you also need to edit your /etc/make.conf file. You have to uncomment the line that says
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As far as themes. yea you do have to make your own but if you already have a configuration that you are woking with, you can convert it over to the "metisse" format. I spent a good portion of the day goofing off with this stuff. And noticed a couple of things that I dont like/can't figure out. I want my translucent menus that I used to have and I am not sure how to do it. I am probably just missing it but I have already wasted enough time. |
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patm1987
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| Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:00 am Post subject: |
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well, I got this e-mail from metisse's creator, in it he said:
| Quote: | From "http://www.lri.fr/~chapuis/metisse/running.html":
For more customization you need to edit some text files. To setup
the applications you want to play with, edit applications (the
programs menu and the functions which are used by the panels to
start applications). If you are not happy with the fonts, edit
fonts. If you want more (or less) than 4 desks, edit desks. To
change the menus look and feel, edit menustyles. To change the root
and the window operations menu, edit menus. If you want to change
the backgrounds, edit background. For global feel or specific
window look and feel, edit styles. It is not recommended to edit
ametistarc, try to edit extra first. It is not so easy to edit
modules (the panels definitions). After you have edited a file just
restart (or read the appropriate file(s) and run the appropriate
fvwm function(s) if you know what you do).
For colours copy colours/Cyan_Grey_Gradient.theme to
colours/your_colors_theme.theme, then reload the current colours
theme (so that your_colors_theme appear in the ametista config
menu). Then, edit colours/your_colors_theme.theme and apply the
changes by selecting your_colors_theme in the config menu. For
window look and the window buttons copy window/Vectors.theme to
window/your_window_theme.theme then reload the current window theme
and edit window/your_window_theme.theme and (re)load via the config
menu (take a look at the others window theme and use the functions
in bindings-functions). Note that the best place to add images (in
users space) is ~/.fvwm-metisse/images as it is in the fvwm image
path.
Building the "theme" you want is not so easy as the documentation is
large (but clear):
man fvwm (then search for the cmd you see in the colours/*
and window/* files)
man FvwmTheme (for colours, gradients, images ...etc)
The FAQ at http://www.fvwm.org/
should help! Note that the Transparent colorsets do not work
well with metisse.
You can take a look at some screenshots here:
http://www.fvwm.org/screenshots/desktops/
http://sourceforge.fvwm-themes.org/
http://fvwm-themes.sourceforge.net/windowdecors/
http://fvwm-themes.sourceforge.net/screenshots/
http://www.twobarleycorns.net/fvwm-decors.html
http://www.plig.org/~xwinman/fvwm.html
and read:
http://ironphoenix.org/tril/fvwm/
the fvwm-themes packages contain a lot of examples. You may find
intersting configs via the others links. As you will see with
FVWM you can build ugly themes as well as pretty net ones  ) |
notice | Quote: | should help! Note that the Transparent colorsets do not work
well with metisse. |
that is the problem 
there's more useful info in the e-mail, but it doesn't apply to the current subject (mainly tracking errors and such)
so, right now, I'm almost complete tic tac 3 (most pointless apps ever in that class) and then I'll work on the ebuild and submit it, (unless I'm hopefully beaten). I haven't contributed as much as I would like to Linux, and the GNU stuff, I figure I should start soon. hmm... how about an ebuild for tic tac 3  |
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bens
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:08 pm Post subject: Xfce and Metisse |
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For the record, I have Xfce 4.2 running on Metisse, and it works pretty much perfectly. I just added xfce4-session or whatever to my fvwm startup scripts, modified my .xinitrc, and it came up looking exactly the same. Well, except that left-clicking my backdrop brings up the Ametista menu, and I can do crazy things to my windows. At 1600x1200, my P4 2.8 with a Radeon 9000 mobile is totally sufficient for scrolling rotated transparent webpages.
Metisse is pretty cool, but fvwm is not for me, at least not until they get the fvwm-themes script running on Metisse out of the box. I had to modify the fvwm-theme (not fvwm-themes) script and manually copy the resulting window decor files.
Does anyone know if transparent PNG window decorations have correct alpha in Metisse? |
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patm1987
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I should try reinstalling it, thanx for da info |
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deadstar
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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AAAAYYYY!!!
Posting from a transparent, rotated Firefox!
Here's how:
You need X and a windows manager (eg KDE) already running - open a terminal and type:
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Xwnc -ac -geometry 1024x768 :1
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Leave that running and open another terminal:
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metisse-start-fvwm -wd :1
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I still prefer Sun's LG3D - windows rotate and 'sway' as you drag them. But I can't say this is not impressive!
Enjoy.
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taviso
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| deadstar wrote: | | I still prefer Sun's LG3D - windows rotate and 'sway' as you drag them. But I can't say this is not impressive! |
I made a video of metisse a couple of weeks ago, if anyone is interested:
http://dev.gentoo.org/~taviso/screenshots/metisse/metisse.avi
Sorry about the flicker, it isnt like that in real life, i dont know how to avoid that in xvidcap 
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:32 am Post subject: |
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Here is a picture of a sunflower. It is yellow. Nice.
Good demo - how'dya do the window folding thing? That was cool!
Also, I managed to get Metisse to start as a session - close X, start Xwnc as above in another VT, then add the metisse-start-fvwm command in .xinitrc.
Also also, programs crash if they try to use the system tray - so just run kicker. Sorted
Anyone know how to run Xwnc as a daemon? Or add it to /etc/init.d? I'm very much up for using Metisse on a day to day basis, I think its stable enough, and I'd like it to start on bootup.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:58 am Post subject: |
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Oh dear...
Metisse grinds to a complete standstill if compiling something 
or any other CPU intensive stuff.
Any ideas?
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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Any themes around for this yet?
| deadstar wrote: | | Good demo - how'dya do the window folding thing? That was cool! |
click and drag anywhere on the window border. |
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Omega21
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:44 am Post subject: |
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Hi there,
I know Im resurecting this thread, I apologize.
I was just wondering about how far this thing has come so far.
Does anyone know how to get a wallpaper onto Metisse?
I was also wondering how themes are going, based on some of the prior posts
in this thread.
Thanks!
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 7:17 am Post subject: |
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I have yet another question. After emerging Metisse, it didn't show up in KDM.. How do I get it to do so?
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COiN3D
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:49 am Post subject: |
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That's certainly not KDE. And to your question: No, it doesn't work with Gnome. Metisse is just something like an extension of FVWM
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Hoshimaru
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| COiN3D wrote: |
That's certainly not KDE. And to your question: No, it doesn't work with Gnome. Metisse is just something like an extension of FVWM |
Aaaauw >.<
I copy pasted the wrong URL :s
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/diablo150/img01/Metisse+KDE_moyen.jpg
Unless this is Photoshopped ? Really, I've no clue about what can be done with KDE nowadays. The last time I used it, was with Suse Linux 6.4 |
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taviso
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Hoshimaru wrote: | | COiN3D wrote: |
That's certainly not KDE. And to your question: No, it doesn't work with Gnome. Metisse is just something like an extension of FVWM |
Aaaauw >.<
I copy pasted the wrong URL :s
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/diablo150/img01/Metisse+KDE_moyen.jpg
Unless this is Photoshopped ? Really, I've no clue about what can be done with KDE nowadays. The last time I used it, was with Suse Linux 6.4 |
It certainly does work with gnome and kde, many people use fvwm as the window manager to replace metacity/kwin/sawfish/etc
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Looks amazing. Anyone know if there's a chance of amd64 support in the foreseeable future?
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