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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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GNOME 2.6.


That explains it. I don't notice my CPU usage spiking to 40% when I resize windows in Openbox. Granted, I have an Athlon XP 2800 and use the nvidia drivers.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HydroSan wrote:
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It looks cool, but what can you do with it that you can't do with X.org with Openbox? 3D isn't a panacea.


X's rendering is slow and horrible. For example, resizing windows in XOrg takes almost 40% CPU and higher at 1024x768. At 1600x1200 it's almost unbarable. Looking Glass is purely OpenGL-based, and uses Hardware > Software rendering.


I have never seen that amount of CPu usage in 1600x1200 that i run. It works flawlessly and is very smooth.

But then again, i mainly use KDE, so this might be a Gnome issue (Sorry, couldn't resist! :-) )
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But then again, i mainly use KDE, so this might be a Gnome issue (Sorry, couldn't resist! :-) )


It could be that Metacity is a piece of shit that insists on updating window contents while resizing a window by default because Havoc Pennington is out of his fucking mind.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Actually I have access to the development builds of Longhorn via an insider, I tried them out on his machine, Longhorn will be a very sleek system, but right now it's a... bumpy ride... and it's slow as nothing i've ever seen.

Never the less, there are some very interesting developments going on. I wouldn't say that their software is useless, .NET fx. is an awesome peice of engineering.

What are your specs like? When Longhorn becomes the default for your typical Best Buy/Dell/Gateway PC, computers will be more than fast enough to handle it. I mean, look at the market now. Most people buying new computers and spending around $1000 or more can get a 2.5 ghz P4 with 512 mb RAM and an 80 GB 7200 rpm hard drive. :evil:

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SCO (Dun dun dunnnnn~...) is trying to hold it up in court with some sort of bullshit "we ownz joo" claim because they supposedly invested $10 some many years ago and just HAPPENED to remember it now. But Solaris will eventually get GPL'd because IBM is apparently helping out SUN (now there's a pairing I never though I'd see 8O ) with beating the shit out of SCO (yet again.)

Yargh... when are they going to crawl in their corner and die? :roll:
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you think KDE is bloated..

and its pretty darn ugly IMO.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it written in Java, or what?
I have nevr seen java as a good idea when it comes to things that are supposed to run fast...

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it's wank regardless, what does a 3d environment get us, aside a lot of usability problems..

nothing that's right, it's useless eyecandy, it offers no improvement over the current situation.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the concept is awesome, and it looks pretty nice for not even having an alpha release under its belt.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I like the idea of turning the window around and having the settings & options in the back face.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stormy Eyes wrote:
headache wrote:
But then again, i mainly use KDE, so this might be a Gnome issue (Sorry, couldn't resist! :-) )


It could be that Metacity is a piece of shit that insists on updating window contents while resizing a window by default because Havoc Pennington is out of his fucking mind.
n00bish question. I apologize in advance.

Who is Havoc Pennington?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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n00bish question. I apologize in advance.

Who is Havoc Pennington?


He proves right the people who claim that programmers have no business designing user interfaces.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

codergeek42 wrote:
Stormy Eyes wrote:
headache wrote:
But then again, i mainly use KDE, so this might be a Gnome issue (Sorry, couldn't resist! :-) )


It could be that Metacity is a piece of shit that insists on updating window contents while resizing a window by default because Havoc Pennington is out of his fucking mind.
n00bish question. I apologize in advance.

Who is Havoc Pennington?


He is a gnome dev and IIRC he wrote metacity.
http://ometer.com/
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone here tested Looking Glass yet?
Curious to know results/issues before I try it myself...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He proves right the people who claim that programmers have no business designing user interfaces.
Does that mean he is the SOB that destroyed Gnome with blind adherence to HID?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Does that mean he is the SOB that destroyed Gnome with blind adherence to HID?


One of the worst offenders, pjp, one of the very worst.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Has anyone here tested Looking Glass yet?
Curious to know results/issues before I try it myself...


Looking Glass isn't available yet, as it hasn't even had an alpha release.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep... I just came to realize that.
I was thrown off by the /. announcement:

slashdot.org wrote:
elleomea writes "According to The Register, Sun is releasing Project Looking Glass, their new GNU/Linux based 3D window managing system, under the GPL during their JavaOne conference (beginning today)."

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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GNOME 2.6.


That explains it. I don't notice my CPU usage spiking to 40% when I resize windows in Openbox. Granted, I have an Athlon XP 2800 and use the nvidia drivers.


Yeah, I use Fluxbox and resizing makes my CPU usage go as high as moving my mouse does which is no higher than it already is.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite a few negative opinions floating around here about this newly GPLed software.

You should be ashamed of yourselves!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You should be ashamed of yourselves!


Why? Call me cynical, but I think Sun is releasing Looking Glass under the GPL 'cos they can't afford to pay their own developers to work on it and they can't find a way to turn a profit on it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You should be ashamed of yourselves!


Why? Call me cynical, but I think Sun is releasing Looking Glass under the GPL 'cos they can't afford to pay their own developers to work on it and they can't find a way to turn a profit on it.


That makes sense. Sort of like how Billy Gates donates to charity in order to lower his taxes?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stormy Eyes wrote:
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You should be ashamed of yourselves!


Why? Call me cynical, but I think Sun is releasing Looking Glass under the GPL 'cos they can't afford to pay their own developers to work on it and they can't find a way to turn a profit on it.


They can't make money off of GPL'd software. Your point doesn't really make any sense. Not only is GPL'ing stuff provide more tools to developers, but it's also a step in the right direction of getting the source code of Java. Java itself is good, but with the OSS working on it, it could be better than anything else.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stormy Eyes wrote:
headache wrote:
But then again, i mainly use KDE, so this might be a Gnome issue (Sorry, couldn't resist! :-) )


It could be that Metacity is a piece of shit that insists on updating window contents while resizing a window by default because Havoc Pennington is out of his fucking mind.


I'm not the only one who doesn't use opaque resizes?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ari Rahikkala wrote:
I'm not the only one who doesn't use solid resizes?


I have no use for solid resizes. Or solid moves, for that matter. Call me a reactionary, if you like.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use opaque moves, but that only moves my CPU usage up about 2% in Fluxbox so it's no problem.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HydroSan wrote:
Stormy Eyes wrote:
Markrian wrote:
You should be ashamed of yourselves!


Why? Call me cynical, but I think Sun is releasing Looking Glass under the GPL 'cos they can't afford to pay their own developers to work on it and they can't find a way to turn a profit on it.


They can't make money off of GPL'd software. Your point doesn't really make any sense. Not only is GPL'ing stuff provide more tools to developers, but it's also a step in the right direction of getting the source code of Java. Java itself is good, but with the OSS working on it, it could be better than anything else.
They /can/, but they prolly /won't/.
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