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Stormy Eyes
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| HydroSan wrote: | | GNOME 2.6. |
That explains it. I don't notice my CPU usage spiking to 40% when I resize windows in Openbox. Granted, I have an Athlon XP 2800 and use the nvidia drivers. |
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| HydroSan wrote: | | Stormy Eyes wrote: | | It looks cool, but what can you do with it that you can't do with X.org with Openbox? 3D isn't a panacea. |
X's rendering is slow and horrible. For example, resizing windows in XOrg takes almost 40% CPU and higher at 1024x768. At 1600x1200 it's almost unbarable. Looking Glass is purely OpenGL-based, and uses Hardware > Software rendering. |
I have never seen that amount of CPu usage in 1600x1200 that i run. It works flawlessly and is very smooth.
But then again, i mainly use KDE, so this might be a Gnome issue (Sorry, couldn't resist!  )
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| headache wrote: | | But then again, i mainly use KDE, so this might be a Gnome issue (Sorry, couldn't resist! ) |
It could be that Metacity is a piece of shit that insists on updating window contents while resizing a window by default because Havoc Pennington is out of his fucking mind. |
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| SoLC wrote: | Actually I have access to the development builds of Longhorn via an insider, I tried them out on his machine, Longhorn will be a very sleek system, but right now it's a... bumpy ride... and it's slow as nothing i've ever seen.
Never the less, there are some very interesting developments going on. I wouldn't say that their software is useless, .NET fx. is an awesome peice of engineering. |
What are your specs like? When Longhorn becomes the default for your typical Best Buy/Dell/Gateway PC, computers will be more than fast enough to handle it. I mean, look at the market now. Most people buying new computers and spending around $1000 or more can get a 2.5 ghz P4 with 512 mb RAM and an 80 GB 7200 rpm hard drive. 
| HydroSan wrote: | SCO (Dun dun dunnnnn~...) is trying to hold it up in court with some sort of bullshit "we ownz joo" claim because they supposedly invested $10 some many years ago and just HAPPENED to remember it now. But Solaris will eventually get GPL'd because IBM is apparently helping out SUN (now there's a pairing I never though I'd see  ) with beating the shit out of SCO (yet again.) |
Yargh... when are they going to crawl in their corner and die? 
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If you think KDE is bloated..
and its pretty darn ugly IMO.
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Is it written in Java, or what?
I have nevr seen java as a good idea when it comes to things that are supposed to run fast...
| SoLC wrote: | it's wank regardless, what does a 3d environment get us, aside a lot of usability problems..
nothing that's right, it's useless eyecandy, it offers no improvement over the current situation. |
That attitude will never get you anywhere.
A hacker never asks Why? Only How?
Eyecandy is not useless, bloat is.
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I think the concept is awesome, and it looks pretty nice for not even having an alpha release under its belt.
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Personally, I like the idea of turning the window around and having the settings & options in the back face.
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| Stormy Eyes wrote: | | headache wrote: | | But then again, i mainly use KDE, so this might be a Gnome issue (Sorry, couldn't resist! ) |
It could be that Metacity is a piece of shit that insists on updating window contents while resizing a window by default because Havoc Pennington is out of his fucking mind. |
n00bish question. I apologize in advance.
Who is Havoc Pennington?
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| codergeek42 wrote: | | Stormy Eyes wrote: | | headache wrote: | | But then again, i mainly use KDE, so this might be a Gnome issue (Sorry, couldn't resist! ) |
It could be that Metacity is a piece of shit that insists on updating window contents while resizing a window by default because Havoc Pennington is out of his fucking mind. |
n00bish question. I apologize in advance.
Who is Havoc Pennington? |
He is a gnome dev and IIRC he wrote metacity.
http://ometer.com/
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Has anyone here tested Looking Glass yet?
Curious to know results/issues before I try it myself...
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Does that mean he is the SOB that destroyed Gnome with blind adherence to HID?
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| pjp wrote: | | Does that mean he is the SOB that destroyed Gnome with blind adherence to HID? |
One of the worst offenders, pjp, one of the very worst. |
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| Vanquirius wrote: | Has anyone here tested Looking Glass yet?
Curious to know results/issues before I try it myself... |
Looking Glass isn't available yet, as it hasn't even had an alpha release.
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Yep... I just came to realize that.
I was thrown off by the /. announcement:
| slashdot.org wrote: | | elleomea writes "According to The Register, Sun is releasing Project Looking Glass, their new GNU/Linux based 3D window managing system, under the GPL during their JavaOne conference (beginning today)." |
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| Stormy Eyes wrote: | | HydroSan wrote: | | GNOME 2.6. |
That explains it. I don't notice my CPU usage spiking to 40% when I resize windows in Openbox. Granted, I have an Athlon XP 2800 and use the nvidia drivers. |
Yeah, I use Fluxbox and resizing makes my CPU usage go as high as moving my mouse does which is no higher than it already is. |
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Quite a few negative opinions floating around here about this newly GPLed software.
You should be ashamed of yourselves!
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| Markrian wrote: | | You should be ashamed of yourselves! |
Why? Call me cynical, but I think Sun is releasing Looking Glass under the GPL 'cos they can't afford to pay their own developers to work on it and they can't find a way to turn a profit on it. |
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| Stormy Eyes wrote: | | Markrian wrote: | | You should be ashamed of yourselves! |
Why? Call me cynical, but I think Sun is releasing Looking Glass under the GPL 'cos they can't afford to pay their own developers to work on it and they can't find a way to turn a profit on it. |
That makes sense. Sort of like how Billy Gates donates to charity in order to lower his taxes? |
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| Stormy Eyes wrote: | | Markrian wrote: | | You should be ashamed of yourselves! |
Why? Call me cynical, but I think Sun is releasing Looking Glass under the GPL 'cos they can't afford to pay their own developers to work on it and they can't find a way to turn a profit on it. |
They can't make money off of GPL'd software. Your point doesn't really make any sense. Not only is GPL'ing stuff provide more tools to developers, but it's also a step in the right direction of getting the source code of Java. Java itself is good, but with the OSS working on it, it could be better than anything else.
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| Stormy Eyes wrote: | | headache wrote: | | But then again, i mainly use KDE, so this might be a Gnome issue (Sorry, couldn't resist! ) |
It could be that Metacity is a piece of shit that insists on updating window contents while resizing a window by default because Havoc Pennington is out of his fucking mind. |
I'm not the only one who doesn't use opaque resizes?
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| Ari Rahikkala wrote: | | I'm not the only one who doesn't use solid resizes? |
I have no use for solid resizes. Or solid moves, for that matter. Call me a reactionary, if you like. |
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| I use opaque moves, but that only moves my CPU usage up about 2% in Fluxbox so it's no problem. |
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| HydroSan wrote: | | Stormy Eyes wrote: | | Markrian wrote: | | You should be ashamed of yourselves! |
Why? Call me cynical, but I think Sun is releasing Looking Glass under the GPL 'cos they can't afford to pay their own developers to work on it and they can't find a way to turn a profit on it. |
They can't make money off of GPL'd software. Your point doesn't really make any sense. Not only is GPL'ing stuff provide more tools to developers, but it's also a step in the right direction of getting the source code of Java. Java itself is good, but with the OSS working on it, it could be better than anything else. |
They /can/, but they prolly /won't/.
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