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| fernandotcl wrote: | | headache wrote: | Sure, but i don't care, I have more than enough CPU and GPU power. I can also wait a few seconds if necessary. I'm not one of those who needs to have something take place before they even click on a link  |
Yeah, I can understand your point. It's that I prefer productive interfaces to eye-candy ones (although my WMI desktop looks awesome ). |
So do I.
But the definition of a productive interface... The jury is still out on this one.
What is productive for me, might not be for you and vice versa.
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| headache wrote: | | What is productive for me, might not be for you and vice versa. |
Exactly... We'd better stay on topic, btw...  |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| fernandotcl wrote: |
So, hurry:
| Code: | | cat /etc/fstab > /dev/dsp |
As your sound card cannot be idle!
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Bah! I'm always listening to music anyway. 
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| pH wrote: | | actually maybe this should be moved to "Desktop Environments" ? |
Desktop Environments is for support questions, posts about new releases of programs belong in Off The Wall, unless they are a Gentoo specific package, in which case Gentoo Chat may be more appropriate.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 11:07 pm Post subject: Looks like you can download source, now... |
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Looks like you can download source, now... At least, the core version.
You need to register at dev.java.net, and then check out
https://lg3d-core.dev.java.net/lg3ddevelopersguide.html
I'm not sure if I'm going to test it on my machine yet, as I just rebuilt it, and don't really want to bork it again. 
I hope somebody more ambitious than me lets us know if he or she gets it working on Gentoo.... |
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yup looks good, maybe this is what we got against M$ when longhorn releases.. till then i hope this should have matured to be a viable DE, atleast for the guys who loove eyecandy, and who got pretty high rigs but dunno what to do 
So, who's trying this baby out ?
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Maybe someone can test this alternative to Looking Glass?
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slooooooow |
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| It is working here I am running it in a window on my desktop.. I cant figure out how the hell it works but it is running smoothly lol. Looks interesting, but I need to do a lot more exploration |
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| Tasslehoff wrote: | | It is working here I am running it in a window on my desktop.. I cant figure out how the hell it works but it is running smoothly lol. Looks interesting, but I need to do a lot more exploration |
instructions? ;-D |
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| Tasslehoff wrote: | | It is working here I am running it in a window on my desktop.. I cant figure out how the hell it works but it is running smoothly lol. Looks interesting, but I need to do a lot more exploration |
screenshot? |
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Tasslehoff
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I am having trouble getting regular programs to run in it. There was mention of Gnome aps they work but very very slowly. I tried to fire up konqueror and it crashed the desktop HARD
Oh that is when I try and run it as the desktop itself. when I try and run aps while in the window mode it just launches them to my regular desktop.
I can get screen shots but it will look a lot like the sun screen shots.
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screenshot
Just adding a screenshot running in window mode. Pretty much what you would see at sun but I took it next to grellem so you could see system resources that it uses. ~20% cpu (Athlon 3000+, 1GB of ram, Nvidia FX 5200 128MB ram) At the time of the screenshot I have Grellm, firefox, an Eterm and the Project Looking Glass window
And running as an actual window manager:
screenshot2
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FOr instructions:
The instructions here basically work:
https://lg3d-core.dev.java.net/lg3dgettingstarted.html
I emerged Java 2 SDK 1.5 beta 2 ran the command at the end of the ebuild to update my path. Followed everything else on the page as explained except
Install the Java Advanced Imaging API
# cd /usr/java/jdk1.5.0
# /bin/bash /tmp/jai-1_1_2-lib-linux-i586-jdk.bin
I did it like this:
# cd /opt/sun-jdk-1.5.0_beta2
# vim /tmp/jai-1_1_2-lib-linux-i586-jdk.bin
edit line 203
tail +245 $0 > $outname
to
tail -n +245 $0 > $outname
# mv /usr/bin/sum /usr/bin/sum1
# /bin/bash /tmp/jai-1_1_2-lib-linux-i586-jdk.bin
# mv /usr/bin/sum1 /usr/bin/sum
Everything else should work |
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bash-2.05b# ./lg3d-dev
~/lg3d/bin ~/lg3d/bin
~/lg3d/bin
[1] 6792
WARNING: Unable to load configuration
and it doesn't display a window.. anybody else know how to fix this?
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| viperlin wrote: |
the jurassic park one really existed, it was used in the movie, not created for it....
i forget it's true name though |
It was fsn (file system navigator). Unfortuneately, it only works on old versions of IRIX, and seems to have been abandoned. |
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| Idnas wrote: | | viperlin wrote: |
the jurassic park one really existed, it was used in the movie, not created for it....
i forget it's true name though |
It was fsn (file system navigator). Unfortuneately, it only works on old versions of IRIX, and seems to have been abandoned. |
http://fsv.sourceforge.net/
emerge fsv
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well I am going to have to stop playing with it for now but the apps that were closest to working:
Open Office was functional, slow but the problem was it was bigger then the screen and impossible to resize.
Opera: opened up rendered the pages fine but the cursor kept disapearing, also had the problem of being bigger then the screen
xclock, xcalc etc worked great
firefox opened and was responsive enough but the pages did not load right. Well I bet they were loading fine but not displaying on the screen. For instance the gentoo forums were grey backgound but when I moused over links the link and the area around it would apear and then stay there
Pretty much everything else I tried crashed the desktop immediatly (though kde apps spit out a few hundred errors THEN crashed)
The desktop would sometimes get stuck in the top left corner basically the background would just kind of stay there and I could move windows underneath it.
A long ways to go, it is very rough but that is to be expected with the early stage it is at now in development |
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neophyte46
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I tried running it and couldn't get it to load. I followed the instructions exactly and received the folloing output.
When in the bin directory I tried
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$ ./lg3d-dev
-bash: ./lg3d-dev: /bin/csh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
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Also tried
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$ sh lg3d-dev
lg3d-dev: line 4: syntax error near unexpected token `set'
lg3d-dev: line 4: `if (${scriptdir} == ${tmp}) set scriptdir = .'
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Oh, and I have java 1.5 beta 2 sdk installed.
I noticed somebody else had a similar problem with this. Has anybody got any ideas?
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 8:41 am Post subject: |
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| Code: | | emerge app-shells/tcsh |
should help |
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a-rdel
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:51 am Post subject: |
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ive got it working in a window .. but i dont know how to load it in full screen... tried "/etc/init.d/xdm stop" .. then trying it from the command prompt .. but no joy  any ideas ?
its currently on 0.5 version ... seems that sun has done half the work .. now the rest is up to the open source community .. (sun will probably take all the glory if it ever reaches the big 1.0). However, if it does load all gnome apps and not kill other full screen 3d apps performance (like games etc) then this would be an awesome desktop .... wonder how long it will take
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| HydroSan wrote: | | X's rendering is slow and horrible. |
Quite the contrary. X routinely spanks Windows (for example) when it comes to rendering-speed. The problem is not X, the problems is Xfree. And the fact that while X is fast as hell, it doesn't LOOK that fast. Double-buffering should fix that.
That said, I run KDE 3.2.3 with NVIDIA GF 5900 with NVIDIA-drivers and X.org, and this thing is fast as hell! True, moving windows and the like does eat CPU-cycles. But I have A64 3200+, so I have cycles to spare  .
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| Evangelion wrote: | | HydroSan wrote: | | X's rendering is slow and horrible. |
Quite the contrary. X routinely spanks Windows (for example) when it comes to rendering-speed. The problem is not X, the problems is Xfree. And the fact that while X is fast as hell, it doesn't LOOK that fast. Double-buffering should fix that.
That said, I run KDE 3.2.3 with NVIDIA GF 5900 with NVIDIA-drivers and X.org, and this thing is fast as hell! True, moving windows and the like does eat CPU-cycles. But I have A64 3200+, so I have cycles to spare . |
I've not read the X.Org mailing lists lately, any info on when they plan to implement double buffering, transparency, etc?
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| hellbringer wrote: | | Evangelion wrote: | | HydroSan wrote: | | X's rendering is slow and horrible. |
Quite the contrary. X routinely spanks Windows (for example) when it comes to rendering-speed. The problem is not X, the problems is Xfree. And the fact that while X is fast as hell, it doesn't LOOK that fast. Double-buffering should fix that.
That said, I run KDE 3.2.3 with NVIDIA GF 5900 with NVIDIA-drivers and X.org, and this thing is fast as hell! True, moving windows and the like does eat CPU-cycles. But I have A64 3200+, so I have cycles to spare . |
I've not read the X.Org mailing lists lately, any info on when they plan to implement double buffering, transparency, etc? |
AFAIK they are working on it as we speak. It will propably be implemented in the next release.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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Unfortuanately this isn't truly an alternative to Looking Glass. All it provides is the backwards compatibility of putting the 2D windows in 3D. What it is missing is an API for true 3D application development (which is the true point of Looking Glass) |
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