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Vanquirius
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My thoughts: tons of הָרָה (harah) to go around.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:13 am Post subject: |
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| markj wrote: |
But as long as the Palestinians cow awayfrom attacking military targets and continue to kill innocent civilians deliberately and with no question of it being an accident (however horrific), then a large part of the world will continue to see the Palestinians as terrorists rather than freedom fighters, and rightly so as far as I am concerned.
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Perhaps the Palestinians would agree to only attack military targets if they were given the same level of arms as Israel, and given their land back as a base of operations.
That way they can all fight it out till they are both tired, and come to a peaceful situation. Right now the only resistance available to a Palestinian, that has had their families land stolen from them and subsequently kicked out of their former country, is to strap some basic explosives to his/her body, and try and do as much damage as they can.
Doing nothing got them where they are - homeless, poor, and at the whim of their overlords. |
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There's nothing glorious about killing your self in order to kill others.
Allah/Yaweh/Jehova/Vishnu/The Great Spirit/God wouldn't condone that.
Suicide is the ulimate act of vanity.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:05 am Post subject: |
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| stonent wrote: | There's nothing glorious about killing your self in order to kill others.
Allah/Yaweh/Jehova/Vishnu/The Great Spirit/God wouldn't condone that. |
You know? Did you just ask those guys or what?
It would be interersting to see what happened in this conflict if the Palestinians were given the same military aid that Israel receives every year. I'm sure they'd all find themselves in whole different situation. But givin the number of extremist leaders in the Palestininan community, I'm not sure they would stop once they've seized the '67 border or whatever it is they want bakc. They'd probably demolish the entire Israeli nation, and then we're nowhere again.
The state of Israel is one royal fuck-up. But now it's there and we have to make this work somehow. And though terrorist could target military installations (and get killed before harming anybody than themselves) I'm not sure it would change a thing. They wouldn't get any more respect from the world community, they'd only get a lot less attention.
I am just amazed an entire Israeli population can go on supporting the current tactics of Israel and live in fear, every single day, of being blown up, when they know (they do right?) that pulling back from the settlements (the simple act of moving a couple of thousand/hundrd people to new locations inland) would stop the majority of attacks. Why oh why? If say 2000 Danes's desire to live in friggin Sweden released daily or weekly terrorist attacks on this country I'd be sure to vote for whoever claimed he/she would move their 2000 asses out of there ASAP.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:16 am Post subject: |
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| riis wrote: | | Why oh why? If say 2000 Danes's desire to live in friggin Sweden released daily or weekly terrorist attacks on this country I'd be sure to vote for whoever claimed he/she would move their 2000 asses out of there ASAP. |
Blame it on the settlers and their supporters being nationalist assholes. Chances are, these people have a bad case of the "Israel uber alles" mentality.
By the way, what exactly are the demon-haunted Arabs doing for their Palestinian brothers, aside from financing terrorism? |
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| Stormy Eyes wrote: |
By the way, what exactly are the demon-haunted Arabs doing for their Palestinian brothers, aside from financing terrorism? |
Very little indeed.
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| petrjanda wrote: | | I dont believe in any resolution of the conflict, it will end when they all kill each other. |
In fact, we have to consider 2 things:
If Israelians to what they want, then they will extend to cisjordania, iraq, siria and so on... so this is not something to be tollerated, that recalls how a man with moustage invaded more and more countries until some stopped him.
If Palestinians do what they want,... what do they want?
Anyway, I do not consider what palestinians do as terrorism. I consither that people as the army of palestina as far as palestina has no army. So it is their dutty do defend their land. Obviously not simple, criminals always merge with them, but I would never tolerate the kill of a man in hands of another man.
For me, none of them are proud enough to stay in that land as far as they keep on killing. That's the truth.
One more thing, Serbia was invaded by NATO because of doing the same as Israel. The ones with power kill the defenseless ones. So why isn't US intervening on the situation and put Sharon and his government to be judged for crimes?
But after all, it's all about religion: the promised land. So I ask you to nuke jerusalem, wipe that city out of earth. That's the only solution to the problem. |
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As long as Palestine is full of Muslims and Israel is full of Jews this shit won't stop.
They just need to tak a strip of land, load it with land mines or make it impassable, and stay the hell away from each other. 
As for US involvement, I'd rather be on Israel's side because at least they are a real country with a real military using military tactics to thwart a threat. Palestine is just a terrorist state with guerilla fighters.
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| paranode wrote: | As long as Palestine is full of Muslims and Israel is full of Jews this shit won't stop.
They just need to tak a strip of land, load it with land mines or make it impassable, and stay the hell away from each other.
As for US involvement, I'd rather be on Israel's side because at least they are a real country with a real military using military tactics to thwart a threat. Palestine is just a terrorist state with guerilla fighters. |
Palestine is not a state. That's part of the problem. Arm Paletine with Abrahams and Apache and you will see a Palestinian " real military using military tactics to thwart a threat." Of course you will also see a bloodbath...
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| hellbringer wrote: | | Palestine is not a state. That's part of the problem. Arm Paletine with Abrahams and Apache and you will see a Palestinian " real military using military tactics to thwart a threat." Of course you will also see a bloodbath... |
A bloodbath on both sides. Give the Palestinians a state and an army, and Israel won't have any reason to hold back. I'm surprised they haven't just hunted down every member of Hamas and put their heads on spikes. |
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Of course it will be a blood bath on both sides. It will be a fullscale extermination war only comparable to the Rrussian II world War front.
What I meant is that you can't accuse Paletinians of not using military tactics while funding Israel army.
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| hellbringer wrote: | | What I meant is that you can't accuse Paletinians of not using military tactics while funding Israel army. |
I don't give a damn what kind of tactics they use; my beef with the Palestinians is that they kill women and children. As far as I'm concerned, any group that resorts to deliberately killing women and children deserves no mercy whatsoever; they're nothing but barbarians and animals. |
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| Stormy Eyes wrote: | | hellbringer wrote: | | What I meant is that you can't accuse Paletinians of not using military tactics while funding Israel army. |
I don't give a damn what kind of tactics they use; my beef with the Palestinians is that they kill women and children. As far as I'm concerned, any group that resorts to deliberately killing women and children deserves no mercy whatsoever; they're nothing but barbarians and animals. |
Why do you exclude Israel from the lot? Israel tanks fire at teens who throw stones.
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| hellbringer wrote: | | Why do you exclude Israel from the lot? Israel tanks fire at teens who throw stones. |
If they're past puberty, they're not children; they're physically adult and ought to be mentally mature enough to think for themselves. The "teens" are old enough to know not to fuck with people who possess superior firepower. They do it anyway? Fuck 'em. |
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The israelis are old enough to know they are not safe on streets and busses and not to mess with mentally retarded suicides, so they should basically stay home. Fuck'em
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| hellbringer wrote: | | The israelis are old enough to know they are not safe on streets and busses and not to mess with mentally retarded suicides, so they should basically stay home. Fuck'em |
Except that the dumbass suicide bombers won't stay in their own country, so nobody can avoid them.
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| Doesnt quite matter does it? Sharon has come out saying that he will ignore any advice from the US concering attempted assassinations. I think this should be enough for the US to say, "OK Sharon, you dont heed our advice then we will no longer offer advice." Honestly we shouldnt be involved in other coutries Holy Wars. |
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| hellbringer wrote: | | The israelis are old enough to know they are not safe on streets and busses and not to mess with mentally retarded suicides, so they should basically stay home. Fuck'em |
Yes, fuck 'em both. That's why I said that the United States and the governments of other countries should officially forget about both Israel and the Palestinians. Let them settle things on their own.
Either that, or just kill 'em all and let the gods sort it out. |
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| ^^^^ Indeed. Fuck all of them. I say nuke the whole goddamn country along with the Middle East. |
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Yes let's just fucking nuke every god damn hotspot on this earth that'll teach everyone!
Well seriously nuking Israel and the Gaza strip will actually get us nowhere. If this is your attitude everybody would be better of if they just killed each other themselves instead of us polluting an area (and ourselves) for the next 10k years!
I think the Us should stop funding the Israeli military, a strong effort should be put in stop weapons from flowing in to Palestine (although hardly any weapons do currently) and then we should set in a UN force the size Ariel Sharons ass. And then just stay there for 10 years or so. Then they've probably gotten used to living whereever they live and then maybe stop shooting each other....
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| riis wrote: | Yes let's just fucking nuke every god damn hotspot on this earth that'll teach everyone!
Well seriously nuking Israel and the Gaza strip will actually get us nowhere. If this is your attitude everybody would be better of if they just killed each other themselves instead of us polluting an area (and ourselves) for the next 10k years!
I think the Us should stop funding the Israeli military, a strong effort should be put in stop weapons from flowing in to Palestine (although hardly any weapons do currently) and then we should set in a UN force the size Ariel Sharons ass. And then just stay there for 10 years or so. Then they've probably gotten used to living whereever they live and then maybe stop shooting each other.... |
1.) the use does not fund the isreali army anymore.
2.) the people in that area will never settle down where they are living. they have fought for that land for centuries. the only resolution is death of oneside or the other, or both. |
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| solomonHk wrote: | | riis wrote: | Yes let's just fucking nuke every god damn hotspot on this earth that'll teach everyone!
Well seriously nuking Israel and the Gaza strip will actually get us nowhere. If this is your attitude everybody would be better of if they just killed each other themselves instead of us polluting an area (and ourselves) for the next 10k years!
I think the Us should stop funding the Israeli military, a strong effort should be put in stop weapons from flowing in to Palestine (although hardly any weapons do currently) and then we should set in a UN force the size Ariel Sharons ass. And then just stay there for 10 years or so. Then they've probably gotten used to living whereever they live and then maybe stop shooting each other.... |
SALOMONIC DECISION: both.
1.) the use does not fund the isreali army anymore.
2.) the people in that area will never settle down where they are living. they have fought for that land for centuries. the only resolution is death of oneside or the other, or both. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| riis wrote: | | stonent wrote: | There's nothing glorious about killing your self in order to kill others.
Allah/Yaweh/Jehova/Vishnu/The Great Spirit/God wouldn't condone that. |
You know? Did you just ask those guys or what? |
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A wise resolution indeed, too bad it is like that but I just dont see people who have been fighting for so long just giving up and saying ok lets be neighbors.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| solomonHk wrote: | | ....they have fought for that land for centuries. ... |
If you trust the claims made in the old testament, the fighting in that area has been going on for about 6000 years with intermittent periods of peace. In reality, it's been probably only a little over 3000 years.
Isn't it great that Mr. Bush is going to solve it all and bring democrarcy to the Middle East if American voters will give him just another 4 years? He has everything worked out (roadmap, Iraq, Saddam, domino theory, ...) . If only some of those Nato allies hadn't been such cowards.... And why aren't those Iraqis just a little more grateful... But all he needs is another four years - won't that fantastic ?
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