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jonny5 n00b
Joined: 01 May 2002 Posts: 18 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:21 pm Post subject: SCO Linux License |
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Are you going to pay? What is you opinion on this? How valid is their argument? Would it hold in the court of law?
http://www.thescogroup.com/scosource/linuxlicense.html
Some specs about myself. I work for a University (educational environment) and use my Linux box (dual boot with WinXP... but I am starting to need it less and less) for work and learning purposes. Am I or my work environment at risk?
Sorry if these questions seem trivial, I don't understand too much about Licensing (you learn one day at a time) or the impact it could have on my employeer or me. Any help is appreciated, even if it is a RTFM with at least a link to the appropriate manual. _________________ Jonny5
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HydroSan l33t
Joined: 04 Mar 2004 Posts: 764 Location: The Kremlin (aka Canada)
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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The SCO lawsuit has no base and is just to get people to be afraid of Linux. I hate to sound like a person believing in conspiracy theories, but this seems to be doing quite well for Microsoft.
SCO claims that SCO Unix code is in the 2.4.x and 2.6.x kernels. This would be a violation of the GPL. Two insurance companies, including the OSRM, have stated that this is false, and are even putting money up for it.
In short, do not pay SCO. They are liars. _________________ I was a Gangster for Capitalism, by Major General Smedley Butler.
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viperlin Veteran
Joined: 15 Apr 2003 Posts: 1319 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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it's bullshit
there after money, they have given no valid evidence in the year they have been saying they own linux.
linux is GPL and free, do not buy the licence and dont worry about getting sued.
and as proof the 2.4 and 2.6 kernels have just been fine combed and compared to the source of a lot of other unix enviroments over the last few months.
here:
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040419080041607 |
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PowerFactor Veteran
Joined: 30 Jan 2003 Posts: 1693 Location: out of it
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Lews_Therin l33t
Joined: 03 Oct 2003 Posts: 657 Location: Banned
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Basically, SCO has said that there is some of their code in Linux, but haven't said what it is. Their case is groundless. |
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aethyr Veteran
Joined: 06 Apr 2003 Posts: 1085 Location: NYC
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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From what I've heard it's impossible to get one even if you wanted to. People have tried calling them to make sure their box was licensed, but they said they weren't available. Seems to me that it's just more media tactics by SCO. |
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placeholder Advocate
Joined: 07 Feb 2004 Posts: 2500
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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Well, seeing that SCO was paid in the past by Microsoft to say that they ran Linux and were getting attacked even though they were using it, I'd say that this is a whole new publicity stunt created my M$ to try to gain back server customers who have fled to Linux for a virus-free OS. |
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charlieg Advocate
Joined: 30 Jul 2002 Posts: 2149 Location: Manchester UK
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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Pahaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahheeeeehaaaaaaahaeeeeahaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhaaaaa.
Um, no. _________________ Want Free games?
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Peaceable Frood Guru
Joined: 06 Apr 2003 Posts: 338 Location: New Jersey, USA
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Seeing how SCOX is dropping about $1 a day, and Baystar wants to pull out, even if there was code inside Linux, SCO isn't going to have any money to last the lawsuit. There is also an exorbinate amount of insider trading, Darl has been selling left and right. They have shown no proof of anything they claim, all it amounts to is FUD. They wanted to get bought by IBM but it failed miserably and they were just upset at IBM for pulling out of Project Monteray. There is nothing to worry about it, and if SCO does with, and a fat chance of that happening, they can not come after end-users. They are blowing hot air and not much else. I would definately not buy a license, because Darl even said contracts are the bases for lawsuits(or something like that) |
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IvanHoe l33t
Joined: 05 Oct 2002 Posts: 658
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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I'll make this as eloquent as possible: SCO can kiss my ass! |
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ewan.paton Veteran
Joined: 29 Jul 2003 Posts: 1219 Location: glasgow, scotland
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 12:48 am Post subject: |
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its utter noncence and they have pretty much stated that they will sue everyone who make a unixlike os{1} including *bsd eventually. imagine any other industry where you could sue your competitors for infringing a patent, threaten their customers and demand they all pay you till the ip (which they woulnt tell you about) is removed. the fact is if their was any ip in their and they actually identify it then it would be removed/replaced within days
{1} read theirs no way we are suing MS as they own us _________________ Giay tay nam | Giay nam cao cap | Giay luoi |
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jonny5 n00b
Joined: 01 May 2002 Posts: 18 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Right on, thanks for all the responces guys. I didn't think they would have a chance or even a wooden leg to stand on, but I wanted to make sure. Everyone's input is very much appreciated. _________________ Jonny5
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ebrostig Bodhisattva
Joined: 20 Jul 2002 Posts: 3152 Location: Orlando, Fl
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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Pay for a SCO Linux License?
mmmm....errrrr... Hell no!
If they want any money from me, they better fork over some proofs without an NDA and I'll look at it, else they'll hear from my lawyer and he will be slapping them with extorsion attempt.
SCO LOLOLOL The dumbest company to ever be in a business.
Erik _________________ 'Yes, Firefox is indeed greater than women. Can women block pops up for you? No. Can Firefox show you naked women? Yes.' |
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gospleOfLinux Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 81 Location: East Texas
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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The SCO lawsuit is the legal equivilent of a fart.
It is hot, stinky air that when met with any flame of truth goes up in a pathetic poof.
On a more polite level, it is a failed business move that SCO is committed to. They can't just say "Oops, that didn't work" without opening themselves up for a wrongful lawsuit claim from every last comercial distributer of linux.
No fun for SCO... _________________ "I'm feeling HAPPY, I'M FEELING HAPPY" *thunk* |
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nmcsween Guru
Joined: 12 Nov 2003 Posts: 381
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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This is complete bullshit. SCO is just dieing and trying for one last ditch effort to level off there losses for the past few years. The XFS filesystem had some changes relating to this but I still doubt that they had any "SCO" code within it. For christmas I hope SCO gets a lawsuite for extortion. |
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nmcsween Guru
Joined: 12 Nov 2003 Posts: 381
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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In fact why hasn't Suse, etc lauched a lawsuite to attack SCO's little extortion scheme? Think about it SCO's pretty much saying that you pay them for nothing..... Is't that called robery in some places? SCO needs to be put in it's place. |
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G-Style Apprentice
Joined: 10 Nov 2003 Posts: 275 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm...to me they are behaving similar to the RIAA. _________________ Mastering Windows isn't impressive. But mastering Linux is. |
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nmcsween Guru
Joined: 12 Nov 2003 Posts: 381
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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But the RIAA has a reason to do what they are doing. SCO has nothing. |
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ewan.paton Veteran
Joined: 29 Jul 2003 Posts: 1219 Location: glasgow, scotland
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:07 am Post subject: |
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did anyone see the reason that investment company want their £20mill stake money back, not enough layers on the board and it as waisting money investing in unix which has no future rather than concentating on lawsuits _________________ Giay tay nam | Giay nam cao cap | Giay luoi |
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ewan.paton Veteran
Joined: 29 Jul 2003 Posts: 1219 Location: glasgow, scotland
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:11 am Post subject: |
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Ultraoctane.com wrote: | In fact why hasn't Suse, etc lauched a lawsuite to attack SCO's little extortion scheme? Think about it SCO's pretty much saying that you pay them for nothing..... Is't that called robery in some places? SCO needs to be put in it's place. |
it did in germany, they kicked thier ass in court and and a judge ordered them to remove all mention of ilegality on the german website and fined them i when they took to long to do it _________________ Giay tay nam | Giay nam cao cap | Giay luoi |
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dalek Veteran
Joined: 19 Sep 2003 Posts: 1353 Location: Mississippi USA
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:47 am Post subject: |
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Wonder what would happen if I sent them my name and address and told them I use Linux exclusively, no windoze on this rig. I'm disabled but I would be speaking a lot of French in my response, mostly four letters too. Oh, I don't speak French and never took a course to learn it either.
I think I could get several pages together to tell them off.
Should I?
Later
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redshift Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Posts: 98
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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No. _________________ Tom |
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dalek Veteran
Joined: 19 Sep 2003 Posts: 1353 Location: Mississippi USA
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:14 am Post subject: |
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Crap. I would like to go off on them.
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ewan.paton Veteran
Joined: 29 Jul 2003 Posts: 1219 Location: glasgow, scotland
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:58 am Post subject: |
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he would probably be ok sco only seem to sue companies with huge legal departmants or their own customers, you want to go to court but a licence, that will realy get their attention _________________ Giay tay nam | Giay nam cao cap | Giay luoi |
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ewan.paton Veteran
Joined: 29 Jul 2003 Posts: 1219 Location: glasgow, scotland
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 1:00 am Post subject: |
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ewan.paton wrote: |
he would probably be ok sco only seem to sue companies with huge legal departmants or their own customers, you want to go to court buy a licence, that will realy get their attention |
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