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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:21 pm    Post subject: SCO Linux License Reply with quote

Are you going to pay? What is you opinion on this? How valid is their argument? Would it hold in the court of law?

http://www.thescogroup.com/scosource/linuxlicense.html

Some specs about myself. I work for a University (educational environment) and use my Linux box (dual boot with WinXP... but I am starting to need it less and less) for work and learning purposes. Am I or my work environment at risk?

Sorry if these questions seem trivial, I don't understand too much about Licensing (you learn one day at a time) or the impact it could have on my employeer or me. Any help is appreciated, even if it is a RTFM with at least a link to the appropriate manual.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The SCO lawsuit has no base and is just to get people to be afraid of Linux. I hate to sound like a person believing in conspiracy theories, but this seems to be doing quite well for Microsoft.

SCO claims that SCO Unix code is in the 2.4.x and 2.6.x kernels. This would be a violation of the GPL. Two insurance companies, including the OSRM, have stated that this is false, and are even putting money up for it.

In short, do not pay SCO. They are liars.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's bullshit

there after money, they have given no valid evidence in the year they have been saying they own linux.

linux is GPL and free, do not buy the licence and dont worry about getting sued.


and as proof the 2.4 and 2.6 kernels have just been fine combed and compared to the source of a lot of other unix enviroments over the last few months.

here:
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040419080041607
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, there is already a pretty long thread on that.
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=72651

For what it's worth, I think in a decent legal system sco wouldn't have a chance. But even a screwed up as our system is I still think the odds are against them. But if it really bothers you, you can by insurance against them now.
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=163626
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basically, SCO has said that there is some of their code in Linux, but haven't said what it is. Their case is groundless.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I've heard it's impossible to get one even if you wanted to. People have tried calling them to make sure their box was licensed, but they said they weren't available. Seems to me that it's just more media tactics by SCO.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, seeing that SCO was paid in the past by Microsoft to say that they ran Linux and were getting attacked even though they were using it, I'd say that this is a whole new publicity stunt created my M$ to try to gain back server customers who have fled to Linux for a virus-free OS.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pahaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahheeeeehaaaaaaahaeeeeahaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhaaaaa. :lol:

Um, no.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seeing how SCOX is dropping about $1 a day, and Baystar wants to pull out, even if there was code inside Linux, SCO isn't going to have any money to last the lawsuit. There is also an exorbinate amount of insider trading, Darl has been selling left and right. They have shown no proof of anything they claim, all it amounts to is FUD. They wanted to get bought by IBM but it failed miserably and they were just upset at IBM for pulling out of Project Monteray. There is nothing to worry about it, and if SCO does with, and a fat chance of that happening, they can not come after end-users. They are blowing hot air and not much else. I would definately not buy a license, because Darl even said contracts are the bases for lawsuits(or something like that)
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll make this as eloquent as possible: SCO can kiss my ass!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

its utter noncence and they have pretty much stated that they will sue everyone who make a unixlike os{1} including *bsd eventually. imagine any other industry where you could sue your competitors for infringing a patent, threaten their customers and demand they all pay you till the ip (which they woulnt tell you about) is removed. the fact is if their was any ip in their and they actually identify it then it would be removed/replaced within days


{1} read theirs no way we are suing MS as they own us
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right on, thanks for all the responces guys. I didn't think they would have a chance or even a wooden leg to stand on, but I wanted to make sure. Everyone's input is very much appreciated.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pay for a SCO Linux License?
mmmm....errrrr... Hell no!

If they want any money from me, they better fork over some proofs without an NDA and I'll look at it, else they'll hear from my lawyer and he will be slapping them with extorsion attempt.

SCO LOLOLOL The dumbest company to ever be in a business.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The SCO lawsuit is the legal equivilent of a fart.

It is hot, stinky air that when met with any flame of truth goes up in a pathetic poof.

On a more polite level, it is a failed business move that SCO is committed to. They can't just say "Oops, that didn't work" without opening themselves up for a wrongful lawsuit claim from every last comercial distributer of linux.

No fun for SCO... :oops:
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is complete bullshit. SCO is just dieing and trying for one last ditch effort to level off there losses for the past few years. The XFS filesystem had some changes relating to this but I still doubt that they had any "SCO" code within it. For christmas I hope SCO gets a lawsuite for extortion.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In fact why hasn't Suse, etc lauched a lawsuite to attack SCO's little extortion scheme? Think about it SCO's pretty much saying that you pay them for nothing..... Is't that called robery in some places? SCO needs to be put in it's place.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm...to me they are behaving similar to the RIAA.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But the RIAA has a reason to do what they are doing. SCO has nothing.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

did anyone see the reason that investment company want their £20mill stake money back, not enough layers on the board and it as waisting money investing in unix which has no future rather than concentating on lawsuits 8O
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ultraoctane.com wrote:
In fact why hasn't Suse, etc lauched a lawsuite to attack SCO's little extortion scheme? Think about it SCO's pretty much saying that you pay them for nothing..... Is't that called robery in some places? SCO needs to be put in it's place.


it did in germany, they kicked thier ass in court and and a judge ordered them to remove all mention of ilegality on the german website and fined them i when they took to long to do it
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonder what would happen if I sent them my name and address and told them I use Linux exclusively, no windoze on this rig. I'm disabled but I would be speaking a lot of French in my response, mostly four letters too. Oh, I don't speak French and never took a course to learn it either.

I think I could get several pages together to tell them off.

Should I? :twisted: :twisted:

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

redshift wrote:
No.


Crap. I would like to go off on them.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

redshift wrote:
No.


he would probably be ok sco only seem to sue companies with huge legal departmants or their own customers, you want to go to court but a licence, that will realy get their attention
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ewan.paton wrote:
redshift wrote:
No.


he would probably be ok sco only seem to sue companies with huge legal departmants or their own customers, you want to go to court buy a licence, that will realy get their attention

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