funds via Gentoo email?

Lovechild · Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2002 9:31 pm Post subject:

I'm personally on the wagon - I was thinking about buying my own Gentoo related domain to get a Gentoo email, but I can get it and donate to the project at the same time, then I would rather do that... who needs webspace anyways...

~5 $ a month seems fair for POP3 based mail. Just tell me where to sign up...

masseya · Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:08 am Post subject:

This isn't really a bad idea. I kind of like it. I have a question. If we were to go with the forwarding idea for purposes of cost would that mean that people would simply get their @gentoo-mail.net address forwarded to an existing account and be unable to send mail that would be received as from an @gentoo-mail.net address?
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masseya · Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:44 am Post subject:

Ok, that makes my mutt configuration make a heck of a lot more sense to me now..

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corrs_fan · Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2002 1:53 am Post subject:

seems like a fairly good idea, although i do urge you to be sensible with the actual domain.

A simmilar idea was bandied about at 2cpu.com a while back but they decided NOT to go with it because doing so would give rise to authenticity problems when contacting hardware suppliers for pre release "samples" and other freebies such as the latest dual CPU boards & fastest cpu's, which would otherwise have costed them dearly to buy outright, and ultimatley their demise as a high quality free site.

I imagine You might have the same sort of problem, in attempting to secure charitable gifts/sponsorship deals from some companies, if you were to release something that wasnt an obvious distinction between yourself & users, despite tyhe apparent uncoolness of gentoo-users.com for example.

Of course if the above isnt an issue then i see no problems in the gentoo.org type email forwarding thing.

Lovechild · Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2003 10:45 am Post subject:

Great, I actually do something about the damn thing... and I get my thread thrown into duplicate threads.

Who do I thank for this wonderful treatment of my kindness towards the community?

krusty_ar · Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2003 12:40 pm Post subject: showstopper?

IMHO, the only reason i could buy such service (actually i can't because i live in argentina and with the next president my month's earnings could be the equivalent of $1 or $2 :wink:

) is the domain name (that is, gentoo.org), but the points made about don't using it are really strong (for me at least), so this could be a real PITA for the whole idea

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masseya · Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2003 5:18 pm Post subject:

Here's Lovechild's post, which probably should have been posted in this thread in the first place so we would all be able to access similar information in the same thread. Don't take it personally, just search before you post. If your post is moved, please don't be offended. It's policy that helps keep the forums clean, readable, and informative. This is the purpose of the Duplicate Threads forum. Feel free to respond here.
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Lovechild · Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2003 7:59 pm Post subject:

Lovechild · Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2003 9:07 pm Post subject:

I have decided to drop the whole thing.. I'm tired of fighting.

masseya · Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2003 9:52 pm Post subject:

upnix · n00b Joined: 02 Jan 2003 Posts: 63 Location: Canada

I'd like to add my two cents. I've dealt with large mailservers for a couple of years now (Sendmail)

One problem I see is spam. You might have problems finding someone who would want to colocate a machine if there's a chance it'll get blacklisted.

I understand there's little chance that some Gentoo user that donated money to get his @gentoo.org account is going to spam, but there's always a good chance for "misunderstandings" when you have that many people emailing. And it's -hard- to get off lists like SPEWS.

That being said, I think it'd be an easy thing to setup. It'd be plain and simple "Pay $x, get y". So if you're someone who's paying good money, you get the webmail and SpamAssassin, while the person paying only a bit can get a forwarder account.

I think you could pull this off using donations. Looking after such a system would probably be a full time job for someone though.

What's the story with this forum and the mailing list? Is it donated, or is there actual money being paid for it? If you could consolidate them somehow, that may make things a little simpler.

Anywho, I'll be interested to see if anything comes from this. I may know of a hosting comany with resources to burn :wink:

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hifidelity · n00b Joined: 17 Oct 2002 Posts: 17

I like the whole idea of paying $ to get an email address at gentoo. It would bring in a little income which would pay for some of the bandwidth etc. Not only that, it would be cool to have a @gentoo* email address!

A flat $5 fee would be the best idea, perhaps even a $10 setup fee like someone suggested; but the same fee for either forwarding or IMAP service, remember the idea is donation, to help the project out. Either way, it would need to at the very LEAST subsidize itself. It would be even better if gentoo made some money they could use towards the project.

Whether the service offered IMAP or forwarding service (you get to choose which you want), I don't think 5 dollars is alot to ask. I mean these guys work hard, help them out a little!

An email service running on gentoo linux enabled servers would be a testament to robustness of the product and the ingenuity of the people involved in the project.

Lastly, if such a thing is to happen, gentoo.org email address should *NOT* be given out. As was stated earlier this could make it appear that someone is affiliated with gentoo, and they could make a bad name for the project. gentoo-users.org is kinda dull and long... something more catchy would be nice.. I don't know, maybe "think-gentoo.org" or "gentoo-rocks.org"

These are just ideas i'm throwing up, but please everyone respond with some input as to a good name for some top level domains we could possibly use.

jd5419 · Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:53 pm Post subject:

I had just posted something like this and it got marked duplicate, I love this idea and would pay for a forwarder or a full service thing. Unfortunaly I did not do my research to find this first but here it is. I think this is an excellent idea and i would still do it even it was something like users.gentoo.org to be able to tell the differences between users and developers. ITs a great idea but we would need someone whos really willing to work on it. I'd only be seriously interested in paying for such a thing if money _did_ go to the foundation and not to someones fat wallet. If this happens count me in. This post looks very old (2 years) but I'm hopeing to bring it alive and draw some noise to it because i honestly want to give to the foundation and i think this is the best way that i could do so (other then working on regular donations

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SLBMEH · Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:12 pm Post subject:

Sometime in the next two months I will be upgrading my bandwith and adding a mail server. I already manage my servers full time and all of my servers run gentoo. I would be willing to donate my time to run a forwarder. And if it was desired I would donate my time and resources for managing a virtual pop3/authenticated smtp system with clamav and spam assassin for somewhere aroune $0.10 - $0.25 per user per month. However I'm not one for customizing webmail interfaces. Although I propose this: If it were to be desired to host webmail services I would host it on my servers for $1 month. And I would allow access for members of the gentoo dev team to maintain the content and interface for the webmail system. This could be an oppurtunity for development of a gentoo's own webmail service. That's just my idea. I feel the prices are fair for my time/resources. It's the least I could do. I use gentoo on all my servers, I package it with most computers I sell, and I teach night courses for new linux users and I use gentoo.
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I'd personally only pay if the money went to Gentoo.

Also, webmail is underway for devs. Not sure when it'll be ready (if it isn't already, I'm not following it that closely).
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SLBMEH · Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:08 pm Post subject:

I agree with the money going to gentoo. The money i specified is not profit oriented it is cost oriented. It would cover the cost of an administrator maintaining users and updating clamav/spamassassin and it would cover the cost of my bandwith and resources utilized (power, hd space, ram, processor bandwith). I didn't specify a dollar amount for gentoo donations I left that up for someone else to decide... I just based off of my actual running costs from my overhead made some deductions and set a reasonable price of what I am willing to contribute... I don't want to manage funds... I want gentoo to manage the funds so I can not be accused of pocketing profits... I believe my prices are under what it would cost gentoo to run and manage... If not then so be it... It was just my proposal...
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Philluminati · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject:

*Bump* to keep the idea going.

I was searching the internet for something like this. Right now I'm willing to pay £5 per month for a mail forwarding service with "gentoo" in the email address. I don't want to suggest something that will bog down the existing Gentoo infrastructure but they do already run a forwarding service for the developers don't they? Surely they have the capacity to expand the service with users.gentoo.org with minimal fuss. Plus we *know* they'd be getting the money that way as well.

SLBMEH's idea is also quite good. He's going to provide a profit to the Gentoo team and do the work, all it will cost Gentoo is the sub domain.

I say do it!

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steveL · Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject:

Well if it's just about donations, why can't we implement a system to allow a nominal (eg $10 per year in US) fee to be a "registered user" on the forums? There'd be zero difference to your acct beyond a mention of it near location etc in posts.

Email etc sounds cool, but a lot more work; if the other Steve's prepared to do it, more power to him.