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avieth Veteran
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:41 am Post subject: |
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Gentoo's emblem is so much better than freeBSD's. Thats why I'll never use bsd. |
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To Veteran
Joined: 12 Apr 2003 Posts: 1145 Location: Coimbra, Portugal
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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that's a real good point
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synr9 n00b
Joined: 26 Apr 2003 Posts: 13 Location: North Eastern Ohio
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 2:03 am Post subject: |
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GNU/Linux has long been superior in just about every way than FreeBSD for some years now.
GNU/Linux is faster, supports more hardware, and the code is just as clean as FreeBSD if not cleaner.
I switched from FreeBSD to Gentoo GNU/Linux. _________________ I hold no prejudices; I hate everyone equally. |
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lightvhawk0 Guru
Joined: 07 Nov 2003 Posts: 388
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 9:00 am Post subject: |
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pilla wrote: | EldermysticRazorsnout wrote: | (yes that's sarcasm, the fact that you use udev proves you are an idiot) |
No need for this rage. Banned for now. (and yes I use udev). |
Oh man I was going to point him to http://www.kroah.com/linux/talks/ols_2003_udev_paper/Reprint-Kroah-Hartman-OLS2003.pdf. Which explains that holding lots of device names in kernel memory is bad and I just killed udevd and I have no problems I will when I try to plug in a new device but it's not like crashing udev hurts the system _________________ If God has made us in his image, we have returned him the favor. - Voltaire |
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pilla Bodhisattva
Joined: 07 Aug 2002 Posts: 7729 Location: Underworld
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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Check your url, it is pointing to nowhere (prolly the dot in the end) _________________ "I'm just very selective about the reality I choose to accept." -- Calvin |
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Shadow Skill Veteran
Joined: 04 Dec 2004 Posts: 1023
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:19 am Post subject: |
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I'm thinking about dual booting freebsd on my desktop and I was wondering if anyone here has tried out the recent 6.0 betas specifically for 64bit machines. Have they updated their installer at all, is the beta "stable" as far as betas go? Does anyone have any advice for installing 5.4 without screwing up grub? _________________ Ware wa mutekinari.
Wa ga kage waza ni kanau mono nashi.
Wa ga ichigeki wa mutekinari.
"First there was nothing, so the lord gave us light. There was still nothing, but at least you could see it." |
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vipernicus Veteran
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 1462 Location: Your College IT Dept.
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:35 am Post subject: |
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Shadow Skill wrote: | I'm thinking about dual booting freebsd on my desktop and I was wondering if anyone here has tried out the recent 6.0 betas specifically for 64bit machines. Have they updated their installer at all, is the beta "stable" as far as betas go? Does anyone have any advice for installing 5.4 without screwing up grub? |
It is very stable, just make sure you recompile the kernel without debugging, it is really slow with debugging on. _________________ Viper-Sources Maintainer || nesl247 Projects || vipernicus.org blog |
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vipernicus Veteran
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 1462 Location: Your College IT Dept.
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:38 am Post subject: |
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synr9 wrote: | GNU/Linux has long been superior in just about every way than FreeBSD for some years now.
GNU/Linux is faster, supports more hardware, and the code is just as clean as FreeBSD if not cleaner.
I switched from FreeBSD to Gentoo GNU/Linux. |
Dude, that's sarcasm right? The only right answer is "supports more hardware" _________________ Viper-Sources Maintainer || nesl247 Projects || vipernicus.org blog |
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petrjanda Veteran
Joined: 05 Sep 2003 Posts: 1557 Location: Brno, Czech Republic
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:08 am Post subject: |
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Shadow Skill wrote: | I'm thinking about dual booting freebsd on my desktop and I was wondering if anyone here has tried out the recent 6.0 betas specifically for 64bit machines. Have they updated their installer at all, is the beta "stable" as far as betas go? Does anyone have any advice for installing 5.4 without screwing up grub? |
6.0 beta4 still hasnt got the fix for my keyboard and mouse. Submited a bug. _________________ There is, a not-born, a not-become, a not-made, a not-compounded. If that unborn, not-become, not-made, not-compounded were not, there would be no escape from this here that is born, become, made and compounded. - Gautama Siddharta |
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Shadow Skill Veteran
Joined: 04 Dec 2004 Posts: 1023
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:51 am Post subject: |
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Perhaps a bios issue, what was the model you had a logitech cordless right? I have a very similllar model and a bios flsh for my board fixed the "boot and pray" problem I had, had for the longest time.
Anyone have any suggestions on how I can edit this grub.conf to boot freebsd in place of the sourcemage entries: Code: | default 0
timeout 30
#splashimage=(hd0,4) /boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz
title Gentoo
root (hd0,4)
kernel /kernel-2.6.12-gentoo-r9 vga=795 gentoo=nodevfs
title Gentoo
root (hd0,4)
kernel /kernel-2.6.11-gentoo-r7 vga=795 gentoo=nodevfs
#initrd /initrd-2.6.11-gentoo-r7
title Source Mage GNU/Linux
kernel /boot/vmlinubz-2.6.12.2 root=/dev/hdb5 ro
title Source Mage GNU/Linux
kernel /boot/vmlinubz-2.6.8.1 root=/dev/hdb5 vga=795 ro
title windows
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
makeactive
chainloader +1
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BTW is there an explicit option in the installer to not install freebsd's bootloader? [Some systems I have used don't give such an option, hence the question.] _________________ Ware wa mutekinari.
Wa ga kage waza ni kanau mono nashi.
Wa ga ichigeki wa mutekinari.
"First there was nothing, so the lord gave us light. There was still nothing, but at least you could see it." |
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RuiP l33t
Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 643
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 8:36 am Post subject: |
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Shadow Skill wrote: | ---
Anyone have any suggestions on how I can edit this grub.conf to boot freebsd in place of the sourcemage entries
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well you ca try:
Code: | title FreeBSD
root (hdX,X,x)
kernel /boot/loader |
replacing X and x (on 2nd line) for your slices and particions specifics.
I spend the summer palying with FreeBSD. I always find linux a little slow for my taste...
I suppose i was expecting to much from the good critics a read all aroung.
I was very disappointed. It turns out that the bestie was (at least in my computer) even slower then any linux i had.
Maybe it compiles fast or do any system/no-gui stuff faster, but not things of my dailly use.
Boot takes 1,5 min (my gentoo takes 20~30 sec. and ubuntu 30~40 sec.) X+gdm takes almost a full minute to get ready!
Xfce and Gnome runs slower then in linux. Menus was not updated with new apps installed.
Plug-in hardware was a pain to mount. Printer was a nightmare... take me almost 2 days to make it work!!
I found some ports broken... and portupgrade never compille everything without errors or stuff that keeps without upgrade.
Maybe i have done something wrong... I'll wait for 6 versions and will try again. But i loose a little the hope. |
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petrjanda Veteran
Joined: 05 Sep 2003 Posts: 1557 Location: Brno, Czech Republic
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:57 am Post subject: |
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Shadow Skill wrote: | Perhaps a bios issue, what was the model you had a logitech cordless right? I have a very similllar model and a bios flsh for my board fixed the "boot and pray" problem I had, had for the longest time.
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What makes you think its a bios issue? Wouldnt it screw up in linux also? By the way, the bios is up to date. flashed it a couple of months ago. _________________ There is, a not-born, a not-become, a not-made, a not-compounded. If that unborn, not-become, not-made, not-compounded were not, there would be no escape from this here that is born, become, made and compounded. - Gautama Siddharta |
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Shadow Skill Veteran
Joined: 04 Dec 2004 Posts: 1023
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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petrjanda wrote: | Shadow Skill wrote: | Perhaps a bios issue, what was the model you had a logitech cordless right? I have a very similllar model and a bios flsh for my board fixed the "boot and pray" problem I had, had for the longest time.
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What makes you think its a bios issue? Wouldnt it screw up in linux also? By the way, the bios is up to date. flashed it a couple of months ago. | Simply because my keyboard [MX duo for bluetooth, which I think is based off of the cordless eliete model] finally behaved after I flashed my bios, prior to that every single Linux distro I put on this machine would boot sometimes and other times it would hang while initializing my keyboard. Had to do with the bluetooth reciever. It might not break Linux since Linux may be handling things differently from BSD. _________________ Ware wa mutekinari.
Wa ga kage waza ni kanau mono nashi.
Wa ga ichigeki wa mutekinari.
"First there was nothing, so the lord gave us light. There was still nothing, but at least you could see it." |
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petrjanda Veteran
Joined: 05 Sep 2003 Posts: 1557 Location: Brno, Czech Republic
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:25 am Post subject: |
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Shadow Skill wrote: | petrjanda wrote: | Shadow Skill wrote: | Perhaps a bios issue, what was the model you had a logitech cordless right? I have a very similllar model and a bios flsh for my board fixed the "boot and pray" problem I had, had for the longest time.
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Logitech Cordless Desktop LX700
What makes you think its a bios issue? Wouldnt it screw up in linux also? By the way, the bios is up to date. flashed it a couple of months ago. | Simply because my keyboard [MX duo for bluetooth, which I think is based off of the cordless eliete model] finally behaved after I flashed my bios, prior to that every single Linux distro I put on this machine would boot sometimes and other times it would hang while initializing my keyboard. Had to do with the bluetooth reciever. It might not break Linux since Linux may be handling things differently from BSD. |
The problem I have is that it hangs after i move my mouse in CLI, but when i move the mouse goodbye input + restart. I have no problem during the actual bootup process, its even recognized correcrtly, it creates proper ums0 and ukb0 entries in /dev. _________________ There is, a not-born, a not-become, a not-made, a not-compounded. If that unborn, not-become, not-made, not-compounded were not, there would be no escape from this here that is born, become, made and compounded. - Gautama Siddharta |
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Shadow Skill Veteran
Joined: 04 Dec 2004 Posts: 1023
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:54 am Post subject: |
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If its any consolation Freebsd6.0beta4 wouldn't even install unless I unplugged the reciever thereby disabling the mouse entirely. _________________ Ware wa mutekinari.
Wa ga kage waza ni kanau mono nashi.
Wa ga ichigeki wa mutekinari.
"First there was nothing, so the lord gave us light. There was still nothing, but at least you could see it." |
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petrjanda Veteran
Joined: 05 Sep 2003 Posts: 1557 Location: Brno, Czech Republic
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:39 am Post subject: |
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Shadow Skill wrote: | If its any consolation Freebsd6.0beta4 wouldn't even install unless I unplugged the reciever thereby disabling the mouse entirely. |
yes it is _________________ There is, a not-born, a not-become, a not-made, a not-compounded. If that unborn, not-become, not-made, not-compounded were not, there would be no escape from this here that is born, become, made and compounded. - Gautama Siddharta |
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Shadow Skill Veteran
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:59 am Post subject: |
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I officially have the most secure Freebsd installation ever created..............because I can't fucking connect to the internet which pretty much renders the entire installation USELESS! From what I can tell my error which goes something like dhclient cannot get any addresses [It basically just keeps timing out.] I tried adding ifconfig_nve0="dhcp" to rc.conf big mistake all that does is make the error happen during the boot prior to login. Has anyone here got dhcp to work with freebsd6.0beta4 64bit on an nforce4 ultra with the default driver which lists the nic as nve0? I would really, really like to finish setting up my system... _________________ Ware wa mutekinari.
Wa ga kage waza ni kanau mono nashi.
Wa ga ichigeki wa mutekinari.
"First there was nothing, so the lord gave us light. There was still nothing, but at least you could see it." |
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CorpseOfMystic Apprentice
Joined: 08 Sep 2005 Posts: 159
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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Shadow Skill wrote: | I officially have the most secure Freebsd installation ever created..............because I can't fucking connect to the internet which pretty much renders the entire installation USELESS! From what I can tell my error which goes something like dhclient cannot get any addresses [It basically just keeps timing out.] I tried adding ifconfig_nve0="dhcp" to rc.conf big mistake all that does is make the error happen during the boot prior to login. Has anyone here got dhcp to work with freebsd6.0beta4 64bit on an nforce4 ultra with the default driver which lists the nic as nve0? I would really, really like to finish setting up my system... |
If its the "device timeout" problem, then its not a DHCP-specific issue, its one with the driver. There are a couple of reports of the nve driver's buffer filling up and causing the device to time out (both on an x86_64 system, so perhaps specific to that). Even if you used statically assigned IP's, it would only be a matter of time before the error appeared. It seems your only option is to wait for the next beta/RC/release and see if its been fixed. You can pass the time by filing another bug report. It's a new driver, more information could only help. |
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petrjanda Veteran
Joined: 05 Sep 2003 Posts: 1557 Location: Brno, Czech Republic
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 12:01 am Post subject: |
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CorpseOfMystic wrote: | Shadow Skill wrote: | I officially have the most secure Freebsd installation ever created..............because I can't fucking connect to the internet which pretty much renders the entire installation USELESS! From what I can tell my error which goes something like dhclient cannot get any addresses [It basically just keeps timing out.] I tried adding ifconfig_nve0="dhcp" to rc.conf big mistake all that does is make the error happen during the boot prior to login. Has anyone here got dhcp to work with freebsd6.0beta4 64bit on an nforce4 ultra with the default driver which lists the nic as nve0? I would really, really like to finish setting up my system... |
If its the "device timeout" problem, then its not a DHCP-specific issue, its one with the driver. There are a couple of reports of the nve driver's buffer filling up and causing the device to time out (both on an x86_64 system, so perhaps specific to that). Even if you used statically assigned IP's, it would only be a matter of time before the error appeared. It seems your only option is to wait for the next beta/RC/release and see if its been fixed. You can pass the time by filing another bug report. It's a new driver, more information could only help. |
while we are talking NIC drivers, how long does it take to fix a driver for a National Semiconductor dp8381x based NIC? These "applying short cable fix" messages have been appearing in every version of FreeBSD i tried. _________________ There is, a not-born, a not-become, a not-made, a not-compounded. If that unborn, not-become, not-made, not-compounded were not, there would be no escape from this here that is born, become, made and compounded. - Gautama Siddharta |
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CorpseOfMystic Apprentice
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 1:58 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | while we are talking NIC drivers, how long does it take to fix a driver for a National Semiconductor dp8381x based NIC? These "applying short cable fix" messages have been appearing in every version of FreeBSD i tried. |
Are you having any problems with the networking? AFAIK "short cable fix" messages are simply a report for logging purposes; they are indicative of an issue in the network, not the software. Usually it means a misconfigured router. If the network still functions there should be no problems. |
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petrjanda Veteran
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:28 am Post subject: |
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CorpseOfMystic wrote: | Quote: | while we are talking NIC drivers, how long does it take to fix a driver for a National Semiconductor dp8381x based NIC? These "applying short cable fix" messages have been appearing in every version of FreeBSD i tried. |
Are you having any problems with the networking? AFAIK "short cable fix" messages are simply a report for logging purposes; they are indicative of an issue in the network, not the software. Usually it means a misconfigured router. If the network still functions there should be no problems. |
No problems with networking whatsoever. First time this came up i searched google and people with the same chip had the same problems. Cant remember if there was any solution to it or not, probably wasnt since it would be included in the next RELEASE. _________________ There is, a not-born, a not-become, a not-made, a not-compounded. If that unborn, not-become, not-made, not-compounded were not, there would be no escape from this here that is born, become, made and compounded. - Gautama Siddharta |
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cousin n00b
Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 26 Location: Venezuela
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:09 am Post subject: |
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Shadow Skill wrote: | Does anyone have any advice for installing 5.4 without screwing up grub? |
I'd suggest you enforce the Linux's view of your HD's geometry at install time. Cylinders / Heads / Sectors.
Don't forget to backup the MBR just in case...
dd if=/dev/hda of=mbr bs=512 count=1 |
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cousin n00b
Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 26 Location: Venezuela
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:26 am Post subject: |
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RuiP wrote: | Boot takes 1,5 min (my gentoo takes 20~30 sec. and ubuntu 30~40 sec.) X+gdm takes almost a full minute to get ready! |
The default delay for the loader is 10 secs. Change it with:
echo autoboot_delay="5" >>/boot/loader.conf
There are many things that could be configured to make it even smaller. Filesystem checks at startup are done in the background. If you're mounting ext2 partitions it's very likely that these checks are done at every boot 'cause a bug in the ext2 driver leaves vnodes waiting at shutdown. The fix for this is to add code that explicitly unmounts all ext2 filesystems in /etc/rc.shutdown
Configure your modules properly, specially sound. All available modules would be loaded at startup otherwise. And of course: recompile your kernel.
Quote: | Xfce and Gnome runs slower then in linux. Menus was not updated with new apps installed. |
I'm using KDE 3.4.0
Linux has a better response to high multimedia load but FreeBSD runs as fast as linux. I still don't know why menus aren't updated.
Quote: | Plug-in hardware was a pain to mount. |
Make an /etc/fstab entry for your user and add the icon to your desktop
Quote: | I found some ports broken... and portupgrade never compille everything without errors or stuff that keeps without upgrade. |
I've never experienced this with 5.4 :s |
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Shadow Skill Veteran
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:36 am Post subject: |
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Oh I figured out how to make it boot I like how I was able to see the partition sizes in a format that didn't require that I knew the conversion off hand with the bsd fdisk utility. Now if only my nic would work I could get going. _________________ Ware wa mutekinari.
Wa ga kage waza ni kanau mono nashi.
Wa ga ichigeki wa mutekinari.
"First there was nothing, so the lord gave us light. There was still nothing, but at least you could see it." |
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CorpseOfMystic Apprentice
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | I'm using KDE 3.4.0
Linux has a better response to high multimedia load but FreeBSD runs as fast as linux. I still don't know why menus aren't updated. |
My menus update in KDE on FreeBSD just fine. Perhaps FAM is not setup? You can get the guide for it with:
Code: | cat /usr/ports/devel/fam/pkg-message |
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