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limewolf Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 13 Aug 2002 Posts: 75 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2002 1:53 pm Post subject: Nautilus Speed |
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I've found Gentoo to be much faster than Redhat on my machines, having taken some time to optimise things. I really am impressed!
I'm a Gnome user, one gripe I've had for some time (on Redhat too) is that Nautilus, especially when using the semi trasperent 'drag box' to select things is slow. I've done my best to optimise it (and gtk-pixbuf and one or two other libraries IIRC) using GCC3.2 and enabling several of GCCs MMX/3dnow/SSE etc options (depending on the machine) but it doesn't seem to make a huge difference...
So my question is this... can anyone suggest ways of getting it faster and/or does anyone out there have a suggestion for an alternative?
Thanks.. Chris. _________________ Chris Egan |
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tyreth Apprentice
Joined: 27 May 2002 Posts: 238 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2002 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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I don't have any useful suggestions but to use Nautilus 2 instead of the old one, because it's faster to change directories. but I have no idea if it's slower overall doing stuff as a result or not. Somebody else don't hesitate to answer with useful info |
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sisob Apprentice
Joined: 28 Jun 2002 Posts: 274 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2002 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm,
1. turn off the sidebar
2. Turn off the location bar and use CTRL+L to call it up when you need it.
3. Turn off Thumbnailing
4. Install and enable Fam _________________ Mark Finlay - Gnome Hacker of Sorts
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metalac Apprentice
Joined: 21 Aug 2002 Posts: 191 Location: Seattle, USA
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Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2002 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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well if you think about it there is only so much you can do to optimize something to gain that second or two when you try to open the app. From my experience Nautilus has always been slow and I would really like to see a machine were it acctually runs fairly fast. |
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mglauche Retired Dev
Joined: 25 Apr 2002 Posts: 564 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2002 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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hm, nautilus 2.0.4 runs quite a bit faster than konquerer ..
- opening new window: clean win for nautilus, takes less than 1 sec with nautilus (displaying /root), about 4-5 seconds with konquerer (gcc3.1)
- browsing small dir: no visible difference for me
- browsing image dir: nautilus seems faster + has nicer way of building page
- browsing large dir: nautilus is quite a lot slower here (in 3-4 seconds range) than konquerer (it was a > 1000 subdir containing directory, nfs mounted)
on my box (duron 1,3 ghz) nautilus 2.0.4 runs at useable speed (i.e. new window < 1 sec, change dir same), and its visually appleasing |
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limewolf Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 13 Aug 2002 Posts: 75 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2002 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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There is only so much you can do, I'm just wondering if anyone else has found out anything I haven't...
I'm using Fam and don't use thumbnailing. I'm also using Nautilus 2.. etc. _________________ Chris Egan |
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limewolf Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 13 Aug 2002 Posts: 75 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2002 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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mglauche wrote: | hm, nautilus 2.0.4 runs quite a bit faster than konquerer ..
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on my box (duron 1,3 ghz) nautilus 2.0.4 runs at useable speed (i.e. new window < 1 sec, change dir same), and its visually appleasing |
It's good, don't get me wrong, there are just certain aspects that seem slow. For me, the 'drag box' seem to be one of the main problems, especially in a high res mode (1280x1024) prehaps I expect too much of my machine (Athlon 1.2GHz/GF2Pro)?
Thanks.. Chris. _________________ Chris Egan |
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mglauche Retired Dev
Joined: 25 Apr 2002 Posts: 564 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2002 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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what do you mean by 'drag box' ? |
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Kawada Apprentice
Joined: 22 Jul 2002 Posts: 159 Location: Florida, USA
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Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2002 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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Depending on what you use Nautilus for, I might have a suggestion for an alternative. If you just use it for simple file management, quick opening of files in the appropriate applications, and image previewing, I would suggest trying out ROX-Filer. It is extremely fast, has some nice customization options, and does all those things I listed very nicely. There is an ebuild for it too.
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limewolf Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 13 Aug 2002 Posts: 75 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2002 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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mglauche wrote: | what do you mean by 'drag box' ? |
The box you get when you want to select a group of icons. I have quite a few icons of the desktop, when I 'drag' the box over them and most of the desktop area (1280x1024) I can see it drawing the transperent box, I'm just wondering if this is normal for nautilus on my kind of setup...
Chris. _________________ Chris Egan |
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limewolf Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 13 Aug 2002 Posts: 75 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2002 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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Kawada wrote: | I would suggest trying out ROX-Filer. It is extremely fast, has some nice customization options, and does all those things I listed very nicely. There is an ebuild for it too.
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Now you mention it I do remember ROX, I will have to try it again.
Thanks... Chris. _________________ Chris Egan |
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mglauche Retired Dev
Joined: 25 Apr 2002 Posts: 564 Location: Germany
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Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2002 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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I think the speed of this drag(rubberband-) box has quite improved over the last few minor versions .. the most problem are when moving over icons, when moving over background, even large areas, it works perfect.
Also .. it seems slower for windows, than for the desktop background |
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Russki Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 28 Apr 2002 Posts: 119 Location: Prague, Czech Republic
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Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2002 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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sisob wrote: | Hmm,
1. turn off the sidebar
2. Turn off the location bar and use CTRL+L to call it up when you need it.
3. Turn off Thumbnailing
4. Install and enable Fam |
I've got Fam enabled and installed, but it doesn't work! While looking on google and other forums I've found this
How do I enable fam in Nautilus??? _________________ Facts are stupid things.
-Ronald Reagan
[img]http://www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg[/img] |
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limewolf Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 13 Aug 2002 Posts: 75 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2002 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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mglauche wrote: | I think the speed of this drag(rubberband-) box has quite improved over the last few minor versions .. the most problem are when moving over icons, when moving over background, even large areas, it works perfect.
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It's true it has got much better. But on my machine moving over areas with out icons, large areas, it is slow, it doesn't have the 'instant' feel to it, tt's a bit hard to describe it really... I /think/ I've seen it working better than on my machine on one of my friends, same resolution, lower spec porcessor and graphics card, hence me thinking it's somthing I've done/not done...
How dependant would nautilus (or general 2d drawing) be on the graphics card and drivers? My laptop seems to work much better, but the processor is a little faster and resolution lower.
Thanks... Chris. _________________ Chris Egan |
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sisob Apprentice
Joined: 28 Jun 2002 Posts: 274 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2002 7:29 am Post subject: |
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limewolf wrote: | mglauche wrote: | what do you mean by 'drag box' ? |
The box you get when you want to select a group of icons. I have quite a few icons of the desktop, when I 'drag' the box over them and most of the desktop area (1280x1024) I can see it drawing the transperent box, I'm just wondering if this is normal for nautilus on my kind of setup...
Chris. |
This might be of interest: http://www.gnomesupport.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2162#2162 _________________ Mark Finlay - Gnome Hacker of Sorts
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limewolf Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 13 Aug 2002 Posts: 75 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2002 9:37 am Post subject: |
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It is, thanks. It didn't even occur to me you could change it, I'd forgotten I was using Linux.
Chris. _________________ Chris Egan |
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sisob Apprentice
Joined: 28 Jun 2002 Posts: 274 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2002 10:54 am Post subject: |
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Russki wrote: | sisob wrote: | Hmm,
1. turn off the sidebar
2. Turn off the location bar and use CTRL+L to call it up when you need it.
3. Turn off Thumbnailing
4. Install and enable Fam |
I've got Fam enabled and installed, but it doesn't work! While looking on google and other forums I've found this
How do I enable fam in Nautilus??? |
Code: | emerge portmap fam-oss dnotify
rc-update add portmap default
rc-update add fam default
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is what i did, but it didnt seem to work _________________ Mark Finlay - Gnome Hacker of Sorts
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Russki Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 28 Apr 2002 Posts: 119 Location: Prague, Czech Republic
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Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2002 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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sisob wrote: |
Code: | emerge portmap fam-oss dnotify
rc-update add portmap default
rc-update add fam default
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is what i did, but it didnt seem to work |
Thnx so much! It's working! All I had to do was add portmap default and emerge dnotify (fam was allready starting at startup). I wonder why dnotify is not listed in the nautilus deps, so it would emerge together with nautilus??? There is already a patch for dnotify in nautilus ebuild.
Well anyway, thank you _________________ Facts are stupid things.
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Sunner n00b
Joined: 15 Jul 2002 Posts: 41
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Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2002 8:39 am Post subject: |
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I've always found Nautilus to be slow, and that's on a wide varitey of boxes.
First time I used Gnome2 was on a dual P2-350 with 512 MB of RAM, I assumed it was slow cause of the relatively slow box.
Then tried it on a P3-866 with 512 MB and an IBM 60GXP, still slow, though of course not as slow as the 2x350.
Then I finally tried it on my Athlon XP 1540 MHz, with 512 MB DDR, and found it way slower than Konqueror there as well.
So, I've conluded that Nautilus simply is slow, or Im doing something wrong with Nautilus, but right with other filemanagers I've tried(including Konqueror).
But then, I've found GTK based programs to be slower than similar QT based programs in general, don't know if it's cause of GTK, user error, or cause people who code for GTK simply can't code as well as the ones that use QT, but anyways, there you have it _________________ //Sunner
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Lowspirit Apprentice
Joined: 31 Jul 2002 Posts: 258 Location: Northern Sweden
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Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2002 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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Sunner wrote: | I've always found Nautilus to be slow, and that's on a wide varitey of boxes.
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So, I've conluded that Nautilus simply is slow, or Im doing something wrong with Nautilus, but right with other filemanagers I've tried(including Konqueror).
But then, I've found GTK based programs to be slower than similar QT based programs in general, don't know if it's cause of GTK, user error, or cause people who code for GTK simply can't code as well as the ones that use QT, but anyways, there you have it :) |
For me as a former die-hard KDE3 user it was the other way around, my usual Konqurer window took 5-6 seconds to start, and Nautilius take 1-2 seconds (500mhz P3 w/ 384MB RAM). This was the main reason I switched to Gnome2, one should try both and see which one works best on ones own computer and setup.
QT vs. GTK war risk detected so i'll leave that one alone, any gnome user with self respect would say GTK, and vice versa with KDE users so it would be fairly pointless.
*cough* GTK RULES! *cough*
Sorry, just clearing my throat. |
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Russki Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 28 Apr 2002 Posts: 119 Location: Prague, Czech Republic
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2002 11:13 am Post subject: |
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Russki wrote: | sisob wrote: |
Code: | emerge portmap fam-oss dnotify
rc-update add portmap default
rc-update add fam default
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is what i did, but it didnt seem to work |
Thnx so much! It's working! All I had to do was add portmap default and emerge dnotify (fam was allready starting at startup). I wonder why dnotify is not listed in the nautilus deps, so it would emerge together with nautilus??? There is already a patch for dnotify in nautilus ebuild.
Well anyway, thank you |
..and after rebuilding my system again from stage 1 with gentoo 1.4 and repeating all the mentioned steps to make nautilus work with fam, it doesn't want to work!!!! Why? _________________ Facts are stupid things.
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sisob Apprentice
Joined: 28 Jun 2002 Posts: 274 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2002 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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Russki wrote: | ..and after rebuilding my system again from stage 1 with gentoo 1.4 and repeating all the mentioned steps to make nautilus work with fam, it doesn't want to work!!!! Why? |
I wonder how well it's ment to work -sometimes it works but never for
Code: | echo "test" > ~/test | - it seems buggy as hell to me but I'd
like to find out if it's a gentoo error, cus if not I'll do some digging over
at gnome.org to see what the story is.
ps. http://www.gnomesupport.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2992#2992 _________________ Mark Finlay - Gnome Hacker of Sorts
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sisob Apprentice
Joined: 28 Jun 2002 Posts: 274 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2002 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Russki wrote: |
I wonder why dnotify is not listed in the nautilus deps, so it would emerge together with nautilus??? There is already a patch for dnotify in nautilus ebuild. Well anyway, thank you |
There is also a dnotify patch in fam.
I think that fam should have a dep for dnotify and portmap
and should either add then to the rc or tell the user
that they have to.
Also IMHO fam should be a dep of nautilus - it provides a huge
part of it's functionality
Once i can work this all out (ie. gnome v.s gentoo bug) I'll head on
over to the gentoo bugzilla or talk to spider. _________________ Mark Finlay - Gnome Hacker of Sorts
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Russki Tux's lil' helper
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2002 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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sisob wrote: |
I think that fam should have a dep for dnotify and portmap
and should either add then to the rc or tell the user
that they have to.
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Agree. Fam allready has a dep for portmap. But not for dnotify.
sisob wrote: |
Also IMHO fam should be a dep of nautilus - it provides a huge
part of it's functionality
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Fam is allready a dep for nautilus
Code: |
RDEPEND="app-admin/fam-oss
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sisob Apprentice
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2002 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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I just re-merged fam and now it works _________________ Mark Finlay - Gnome Hacker of Sorts
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